much like on other champs, while the math suggests that things like bt and hydra are superior items, i think in actual practice rushing botrk is probably strongest. the active can be the difference between getting that first kill/reset or tip the scales in a 1v1 several times throughout a game.

anyone tried the diamondprox 14/3/13 tiger udyr dblade start in the jungle? only did it once, but started the game 5-0 and obv it felt really strong.

Magus

Canada450 Posts

August 08 2013 22:46 GMT

#302

The thing with Blade though is that your Alpha Strike is significantly weaker with it than with BT or Hydra. I have never won a Yi vs Yi duel in blind picks when I rush Blade and they get a BT. This is with just Greaves and the single damage item. Their Alpha strike chunks you, and yours is much weaker. The active helps, but you still lose.

Also the more crit you get, the worse it is for the Blade Yi. Since Alpha Strike can crit, the more AD you have the higher your initial burst is and the more true damage you're doing per hit.

BlasiuS

United States2405 Posts

August 09 2013 15:03 GMT

#303

Something that really makes botrk good on yi is the buildup.

Cutlass on a champ who doesn't have cc is huge for ganks. Assuming jungle yi here though.

RaGe

Belgium9948 Posts

August 09 2013 15:14 GMT

#304

edit: oops wrong thread

Kinie

United States3106 Posts

August 09 2013 17:39 GMT

#305

Jungle Yi benefits from BotRK better than something like BT/SHiv/Hydra early or mid game because of the 1v1 or 2v1 potential and getting that crucial reset in your first team fight. Late game it isn't really that important, probably only want to use it for it's active on the squishy adc in the back line after your Alpha Strike through their front line.

After playing him more, I feel like you have to treat him as a bruiser-type adc, whether you play him top, mid, or jungle. Obviously team comp will dictate what you build first, but his core items should be Shiv, BT, and Ghostblade with Zerker Greaves. Shiv is there because you get a nice 1-2 punch of Q + auto-attack with Shiv proc. BT is for life steal mainly after building up stacks on it, and the bonus AD is nice too. Ghostblade is for the CDR, armor pen, and the "run away" active if you get caught out alone with Highlander on CD, or to "extend" your Highlander even longer if you don't get a normal reset. If you are looking for a defensive item, GA, Frozen Mallet or Randuin's is what I'd recommend, as one lets you get a "reset" while the other two stop the enemy team from disengaging/run away, short of a hard cc. I've yet to test it out, but I feel like his 6th item should be Mercurial Scimitar, because of the QSS active built into it, plus the additional MR and AD helps too.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

August 09 2013 18:02 GMT

#306

What do you think about the viability of Dunkmaster Yi with the changes to true damage on E?

Magus

Canada450 Posts

August 09 2013 22:27 GMT

#307

Anyone have thoughts on using IBG as your single armour item? 70 armour is a very respectable amount, and the sheen passive adds to your first hit Shiv burst after you alpha strike in. The only other option for a defensive item on the armour side with offensive stats is Atma's but you aren't really stacking hp.

Klonopin

95 Posts

August 09 2013 22:30 GMT

#308

i generally get guardian angel for my defensive item. ibg is best on champs that can't stick to their targets. yi doesnt have that problem.

i wonder what 'adjustments' riot will make to yi. he is hilariously strong atm.

Magus

Canada450 Posts

August 10 2013 01:15 GMT

#309

It's less about sticking to people and more about the part where you get an extra 125% total AD added onto your burst for your first hit to stack with your Shiv and possibly Hydra. Also if they're slowed you get more auto attacks in before you have to reposition so you're using more of your AS.

Kinie

United States3106 Posts

August 10 2013 06:32 GMT

#310

The main nerfs that should hit Yi are a reduction of his bonus AD to his Q by some amount, probably to like 50% of his AD to the Q as bonus damage, and have Shiv not build while he moves around with his Q. His true damage bonus seems fine after those changrs, as It still lets him dunk people late game, but have It take more like 4-5 hits Instead of 2-3, which few people outside of pro leagues could react to In time If they don't see him coming.

SidianTheBard

United States2474 Posts

August 11 2013 03:17 GMT

#311

I usually pick up GA or just Warmogs.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

August 11 2013 05:56 GMT

#312

On August 10 2013 10:15 Magus wrote:
It's less about sticking to people and more about the part where you get an extra 125% total AD added onto your burst for your first hit to stack with your Shiv and possibly Hydra. Also if they're slowed you get more auto attacks in before you have to reposition so you're using more of your AS.

Any sheen based item that isn't lichbane only gives extra damage equal to a % of the champion's base damage when it procs, not total damage. So it isn't that great really.

dae

Canada1600 Posts

August 11 2013 06:13 GMT

#313

I have just been going Botrk + bruta + LW then ghostblade, followed by a ga. R->E->Flash Q Ignite (use both items) then just spam right click and q on squishies and win the teamfight. 2.5 as with 250 ad and shitton of armor pen means dead people fast. Both his E and passive work so well with AS >.<

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

August 11 2013 15:21 GMT

#314

Highlander has a 15 sec longer cd than Botrk (~5 with bruta) I can't express how much the other lifesteal items outshine botrk.

also you're making ghostblade, there is no reason you need the Botrk active, and botrk w/o active is just straight up a bad item.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

August 11 2013 17:45 GMT

#315

It seems that people are buying botrk almost exclusively for the CC because Yi already has e for true damage and the botrk doesn't give very much to yi's kit compared to BT or Hydra except for the CC on the active. Personally I'd go for Hydra.

chalice

United States1945 Posts

August 11 2013 18:47 GMT

#316

i think someone mentioned it before, but cutlass might be a big reason botrk seems to work better than it would appear on paper. it seems to me that rushing cutlass gives you a nice early game window to get your snowball rolling that uncompleted tiamat or bloodthirster pieces don't.

with all the success with varied builds that people seem to have, the path and timing of getting your dps items seems much more important than which particular ones you get. later in the game i'm pretty sure you could just randomly pick 3 items that have some kind of AD/AS/crit on them and still pass the dps threshold required to wreck fools, regardless of which items you ended up with.

also i'm not sure that the effect of adding ranged cc to a melee champ who is balanced around not having any cc at all, should be taken that lightly.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

August 11 2013 18:54 GMT

#317

you don't need cutlass when you run twice as fast as your opponent. again, with a brutalizer (which is a shitload more damage than blade) Highlander is only 5 sec more cd than botrk.

botrk Yi is just another example of people not thinking about their builds and just getting the same thing reguardless of situation.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

August 11 2013 19:12 GMT

#318

botrk is a great item on yi. You only get 25%/35%/45% ms with his ult. That's not twice as fast as everybody. Yi is squishy as fuck and you only have a limited time before they have backup/get under a tower. Slowing them/speeding yourself up more is very useful at winning small battles. More AS+sticking power=more AA's=more likely to get an extra Q to get the kill.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

August 11 2013 19:58 GMT

#319

If you're using highlander and you successfully alpha strike on your target, they should almost never get away, unless they have flash or you get cced because you're moving 100 movement speed faster than them (approximately), anything more than that is largely irrelevant.

I highly disagree BotRK is most useful in small fights. It is least useful in small fights, because you don't have to deal with a full team of cc and sticking to an individual target (or two) should be completely trivial if you're using highlander. If you're getting it to stick to an individual target in a 1v1 or 2v2, you're probably getting BotRK for the wrong reasons, because Yi does not struggle with that. You're also overlooking the fact building an item with more AD means the enemy explodes sooner so they have less time to walk back.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

August 11 2013 20:43 GMT

#320

Yes he does. Imagine sticking to a leona draven

Imagine sticking to a zyra graves

Imagine sticking to a nami sivir

Yi os so easy to CC skill shot, you know exactly where and when he lands with his Q.

As a jungler you're often going to be the one blowing someones flash, another thing BotRK helps follow up on.

BotRK is great.