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On March 08 2012 02:21 Juicyfruit wrote:What's the optimal mark/quint choices for solotop trynd? So many options.... I'm thinking of lifesteal quints + armor pen or attack speed marks.. Crit chance or MS quints don't sound bad either but... anyways I need advice 
Depending on how you play (specifically your use of Q) AP quints are a valid option. His heal has a sick ratio. But... it's really a playstyle thing, a lot of ppl here never like to press Q in lane (as they lose rage), which is fair enough. However, if you are using Q at 0 rage, you get a pretty big buff for AP quints.
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AP quints seem unacceptable to me. You might as well use HP regen quints if you are that desperate for passive sustain because that doesn't kill your built up rage at least. Lifesteal quints seem good too when you're in a dominant position but can get poked, like vs Shen or w/e
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I havent done the math but i feel like a 0 rage q sed each time on cooldown gives a lot more HP 5 than hp5 quints, E also has a pretty high ratio. Like I said, depends on your playstyle, if you're in a lane where you'r egoing to be sitting at full rage and never using Q, then obviously dont get them.
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I tend to build tryn straight glass cannon, are you saying thats a bad idea? I cant see building sustainability on him useful :S
He has such amazing ability to get into melee range with his W and E, and once he gets there there is nothing you can do about it
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trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD?
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On March 08 2012 16:48 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I tend to build tryn straight glass cannon, are you saying thats a bad idea? I cant see building sustainability on him useful :S
He has such amazing ability to get into melee range with his W and E, and once he gets there there is nothing you can do about it
the only sustain you should ever build on him is wriggles and other lifesteal items. GA might be useful late game, but honestly tryn should just go wriggle->PD->more damage like IE LW BT.
On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD?
BT would've helped instead of a second PD since lifesteal is very strong in fights. Honestly, if the range AD can kite properly, an equally fed/farmed range AD should be able to do pretty well against a Tryn, especially Tristana. She can avoid your slow, use her rocket jump after you spin, and then ult if you manage to get close all the while smacking you with 90% increased aspd from Q.
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On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD?
Why you would ever get a 2nd PD is beyond me. You have pretty much max crit with one PD, IE, and passive. You make one of the stats on there completely redudant, if you want the attack speed that bad grab a recurve bow and build madreds or something
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On March 13 2012 23:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD? Why you would ever get a 2nd PD is beyond me. You have pretty much max crit with one PD, IE, and passive. You make one of the stats on there completely redudant, if you want the attack speed that bad grab a recurve bow and build madreds or something
I main Tryn, and the reason to get 2nd PD is to have much faster chasing and escaping (this is very important when it comes to fighting champs with escape, gap closer and movement debuff on you) along with higher AS and quicker 100% crit. If enemy has FH, you will definitely want another PD to offset the AS debuff otherwise you hit so slow and you will be easily out dpsed.
Yes, you can get a recurve bow and build something like madreds but madreds is very expensive and ineffective on Tryn. If you build recurve into anything else, it will be a very weak item late game.
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On March 14 2012 05:50 Tryndamere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 23:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD? Why you would ever get a 2nd PD is beyond me. You have pretty much max crit with one PD, IE, and passive. You make one of the stats on there completely redudant, if you want the attack speed that bad grab a recurve bow and build madreds or something I main Tryn, and the reason to get 2nd PD is to have much faster chasing and escaping (this is very important when it comes to fighting champs with escape, gap closer and movement debuff on you) along with higher AS and quicker 100% crit. If enemy has FH, you will definitely want another PD to offset the AS debuff otherwise you hit so slow and you will be easily out dpsed. Yes, you can get a recurve bow and build something like madreds but madreds is very expensive and ineffective on Tryn. If you build recurve into anything else, it will be a very weak item late game.
You have trouble gap closing as tryn? You are playing him wrong
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Watched TRM play trynd top lane last night against a Graves (lol)
Boots/3 > zerkers + vamp > rush PD > IE
Also he had a rune page called windamere in which every single rune was AS, lol
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On March 14 2012 14:10 Ian Ian Ian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 05:50 Tryndamere wrote:On March 13 2012 23:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD? Why you would ever get a 2nd PD is beyond me. You have pretty much max crit with one PD, IE, and passive. You make one of the stats on there completely redudant, if you want the attack speed that bad grab a recurve bow and build madreds or something I main Tryn, and the reason to get 2nd PD is to have much faster chasing and escaping (this is very important when it comes to fighting champs with escape, gap closer and movement debuff on you) along with higher AS and quicker 100% crit. If enemy has FH, you will definitely want another PD to offset the AS debuff otherwise you hit so slow and you will be easily out dpsed. Yes, you can get a recurve bow and build something like madreds but madreds is very expensive and ineffective on Tryn. If you build recurve into anything else, it will be a very weak item late game. You have trouble gap closing as tryn? You are playing him wrong
You don't get it do you, you can close gap with spin but other champs can counter with their escape/gap closer/blow your away and the mocking shout right after won't give you enough time to close gaps after spin if they have treads or if they are smart enough to get qss or cleanse(for overall cc not just for mocking shout).
Let me give you 1 basic scenario. Suppose you wanna gank Vayne, she sees you coming then immediately tumbles away from you, you spin to close gap but won't cover enough distance and you use mocking shout to slow her down. She blows you away and stuns you against terrain. You are pretty much forced to pop ult right away because of her AS, 2xPD, BC, BT. By the time you recover from the stun you will be chasing after her, since she has 2xPD and you can't chase her down and you die soon after she kites you. If you had 2xPD, this would turn out differently because Vayne has lower base MS and you can close the short gap much quick with 2xPD and land couple hits to leech some hp back and final hit will kill her.
I am not gonna argue this with you because obviously YOU haven't played enough with Tryn or played against any good people. There is a big difference between pub stomping against noobs and playing Tryn at a higher level against people with brains. You just typed one sentence argument without even explaining anything. You automatically assume I play Tryn wrong, to me this is just ignorant and you deserve to be given a warning from the admin. I will not reply to anything you say in the future, unworthy of my time.
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On March 14 2012 14:41 miicah wrote:
Watched TRM play trynd top lane last night against a Graves (lol)
Boots/3 > zerkers + vamp > rush PD > IE
Also he had a rune page called windamere in which every single rune was AS, lol
That works too if you don't play to build any AS items after PD and it helps tremendously early with AA.
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On March 15 2012 02:20 Tryndamere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 14:10 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On March 14 2012 05:50 Tryndamere wrote:On March 13 2012 23:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?
i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.
is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD? Why you would ever get a 2nd PD is beyond me. You have pretty much max crit with one PD, IE, and passive. You make one of the stats on there completely redudant, if you want the attack speed that bad grab a recurve bow and build madreds or something I main Tryn, and the reason to get 2nd PD is to have much faster chasing and escaping (this is very important when it comes to fighting champs with escape, gap closer and movement debuff on you) along with higher AS and quicker 100% crit. If enemy has FH, you will definitely want another PD to offset the AS debuff otherwise you hit so slow and you will be easily out dpsed. Yes, you can get a recurve bow and build something like madreds but madreds is very expensive and ineffective on Tryn. If you build recurve into anything else, it will be a very weak item late game. You have trouble gap closing as tryn? You are playing him wrong You don't get it do you, you can close gap with spin but other champs can counter with their escape/gap closer/blow your away and the mocking shout right after won't give you enough time to close gaps after spin if they have treads or if they are smart enough to get qss or cleanse(for overall cc not just for mocking shout). Let me give you 1 basic scenario. Suppose you wanna gank Vayne, she sees you coming then immediately tumbles away from you, you spin to close gap but won't cover enough distance and you use mocking shout to slow her down. She blows you away and stuns you against terrain. You are pretty much forced to pop ult right away because of her AS, 2xPD, BC, BT. By the time you recover from the stun you will be chasing after her, since she has 2xPD and you can't chase her down and you die soon after she kites you. If you had 2xPD, this would turn out differently because Vayne has lower base MS and you can close the short gap much quick with 2xPD and land couple hits to leech some hp back and final hit will kill her. I am not gonna argue this with you because obviously YOU haven't played enough with Tryn or played against any good people. There is a big difference between pub stomping against noobs and playing Tryn at a higher level against people with brains. You just typed one sentence argument without even explaining anything. You automatically assume I play Tryn wrong, to me this is just ignorant and you deserve to be given a warning from the admin. I will not reply to anything you say in the future, unworthy of my time.
Because cleanse has a 10 second cooldown like Tryn's W..
And yes, lets suppose you try to gank a vayne, pretty much the fastest moving AD carry...Let's also assume she both tumbles away from you, and at an angle that can pin you to wall? :S :S I mean come on, you literally picked probably the worst situation here for your gank, and regardless of that, I usually dont have much trouble killing a Vayne anyways, even if they have their ult as well
Building a 2nd PD is situational at best, and just because you main tryndamere doesn't meant you are the god king of him..whats your elo?
And just because I mocked your stupiod post doesnt mean you need to nerdrage about it for an entire paragraph
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does anyone know what good matchups are for trynd? i always beat him in lane when i play against him, but i recently jungled him in normals and i realized how fucking gay he is with split push and 1v1 and shit, so ive been thinking about trying him out in ranked. i dont think jungle trynd is optimal b/c you get your items that much slower, so what do you guys think are good matchups for him
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This is how I like to build my Tyrn
Boots/3 into Berserker / Vampire -> Rush PD -> IE
Final Build
Berserker, PD, IE, Bloodthirster, FMallet, Guardian Angel (or Atmas if lack of AP on enemy team)
I know W and E should let you catch up to enemies but I really like FMallet's perma slow. I think he needs it because most new champs have a gap maker/dash so even if you W + E, they'll leap outta your way after you hit them 1-2 times, and it's a running game from there.
This way, Tyrn can be slightly tanky and still do a crapload of damage.
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On May 26 2012 17:42 Owned Noob wrote:
does anyone know what good matchups are for trynd? i always beat him in lane when i play against him, but i recently jungled him in normals and i realized how fucking gay he is with split push and 1v1 and shit, so ive been thinking about trying him out in ranked. i dont think jungle trynd is optimal b/c you get your items that much slower, so what do you guys think are good matchups for him
pretty sure he loses to any form of sustained harass. I think he even loses to Nasus now. he probably beats sion in lane 
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On May 30 2012 12:48 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 17:42 Owned Noob wrote:
does anyone know what good matchups are for trynd? i always beat him in lane when i play against him, but i recently jungled him in normals and i realized how fucking gay he is with split push and 1v1 and shit, so ive been thinking about trying him out in ranked. i dont think jungle trynd is optimal b/c you get your items that much slower, so what do you guys think are good matchups for him pretty sure he loses to any form of sustained harass. I think he even loses to Nasus now. he probably beats sion in lane
Nasus is one of the few champs that I love to choose Tyrn for. Just run cleanse/ghost for summoners and spin away when he whithers you. Just hit him when he tries to cs, once you land a crit or two he starts to really start hurting and you can bully him away from cs eventually. Won't be able to actually kill a good Nasus but he can't exactly stop you from free farming either and thats all a Tyrn really wants to do.
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So I been seeing AP trynd tops. Both opening with AP and switch to AD and staying with AP.
What Rune/Mastery do you use to build AP trynd/
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On February 12 2013 08:38 nosliw wrote:
So I been seeing AP trynd tops. Both opening with AP and switch to AD and staying with AP.
What Rune/Mastery do you use to build AP trynd/
WTF is an AP trynd? Some troll build like AP sion or AP warwick (you know, we don't have bloodrazors in s3)? AP trynd can't be played in the same manner as AP yi. Trynd doesn't have stupidly high ratios in his spin or heal let alone equally stupid resets.
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On February 12 2013 08:53 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 08:38 nosliw wrote:
So I been seeing AP trynd tops. Both opening with AP and switch to AD and staying with AP.
What Rune/Mastery do you use to build AP trynd/ WTF is an AP trynd? Some troll build like AP sion or AP warwick (you know, we don't have bloodrazors in s3)? AP trynd can't be played in the same manner as AP yi. Trynd doesn't have stupidly high ratios in his spin or heal let alone equally stupid resets.
He doesn't need resets. With max CDR Q is on a 7.2 second cooldown, and E is basically reset every time you crit. A full AP build is semi-troll, but someone carried themselves with it from sub-bronze to platinum before the new system went in place.
Starting with a ton of AP from runes/masteries and/or a Amplifying Tome and then shifting to a standard AD build later isn't troll. It was fairly common right after his remake, and is only stronger now that every other high-sustain top laner has been nerfed. It makes it nearly impossible to stop Tryndamere from farming and winning his lane, even under jungler pressure. There's just not a lot you can do about a champion who heals for 100+ health every 11.5 seconds starting from level 1.
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