[Champion] Tryndamere

On January 19 2011 03:22 Seuss wrote:
Math correction: The healing increase from AP is flat and isn't affected by the number of stacks you have. So healing with a fully stacked Bloodlust at level 1 is 10*8 + 1.5*AP. Flat AP blues add a grand total of 13 healing. You're only doubling your healing if you heal with only one stack.

On January 19 2011 04:04 Flakes wrote:
I wouldve started a trynd thread but the runes I'm using are crit damage reds, quints, and yellows, and atk-speed blues, a page that no one wants to drop IP on.

Flakes' Hit-People-Hard build:
I use this for both laning and jungling, the idea is to have the most crit damage possible, since it cannot be stacked through items, unlike every other stat.
40% crit damage
5.8% attack speed

Masteries
Jungling - 21/2/7 imp smite imp ghost, 2 in armor, 3 in xp mastery. Start green elixir and kill everything before it kills you

Laning - 21/0/9 I don't lane much because everyone picks solos at my level, I'm sure other people have better builds

Items
Jungling - green elixir and 6 hp pots. First buy should be boots and a ward if ganking, otherwise crit gloves into avarice blade, then boots1

Laning - Dshield, boots1, avarice blade, OP's laning guide is fine, probably better than mine

Since I have 40% crit damage I build ghostblade first, though if I'm doing well I will get the 880 crit cloak first. My jungle route is minigolems (smite one), wraiths (start on blue, be brave and you'll get crits), wolves, then lizard.

QEQW

On January 23 2011 12:15 Flakes wrote:

"But Flakes," you say "You fed in that ranked, you're just lucky your team carried!"

OF COURSE I GOT LUCKY IF YOU'RE NOT LUCKY DON'T PLAY TRYNDAMERE

On February 08 2011 03:13 Mogwai wrote:
playing trynd on a smurf is hella fun. sometimes they'll just stand there and try to fight you and then you get low and crit them for like 200/hit.

is it possible to deny yourself with his health costs?

On February 08 2011 03:27 Flakes wrote:

Or 280 if you have my baller runepage


Health costs are like mana costs, if you don't have enough to cast it, it won't cast
edit: unless you are ulting, ofc.

On February 08 2011 03:29 gtrsrs wrote:


the good old olaf days when you could deny yourself with your E and iirc get gold for killing yourself

On April 01 2011 23:57 Flakes wrote:
I've been rushing ghostblade for a long time, nice to see H4cker trying it. I pick up a crit cloak after avarice blade to give me bloodlust stacks, and so I get a little more gold from the rice blade.

I don't like getting wriggles because it delays my IE so much (I'm already getting it after ghostblade, farming a BF that late sucks), but if I had an attack speed-oriented runepage I'd definitely consider it.
I also really dislike opening vamp scepter, it gives you extremely low flexibility, and you WILL lose in lvl 1 fights unless you get lucky crits. I could see vamp scepter with crit% runes, but I hate crit% runes because they are useless lategame on trynd.

edit: If I was going wriggles I'd open cloth 5pot

On April 01 2011 23:57 Flakes wrote:
I've been rushing ghostblade for a long time, nice to see H4cker trying it. I pick up a crit cloak after avarice blade to give me bloodlust stacks, and so I get a little more gold from the rice blade.

I don't like getting wriggles because it delays my IE so much (I'm already getting it after ghostblade, farming a BF that late sucks), but if I had an attack speed-oriented runepage I'd definitely consider it.
I also really dislike opening vamp scepter, it gives you extremely low flexibility, and you WILL lose in lvl 1 fights unless you get lucky crits. I could see vamp scepter with crit% runes, but I hate crit% runes because they are useless lategame on trynd.

edit: If I was going wriggles I'd open cloth 5pot

On April 02 2011 00:24 Issor wrote:



He said during his game last night that he doesn't particularly like the crit gloves opening but that it does work well.

On April 02 2011 00:32 BloodNinja wrote:


Does he stream or have any VODs up? it would be interesting to watch him play, the only time I have seen him was one night when he played against eski on stream.

On May 01 2011 15:11 PBC wrote:
dear god i just witnessed the most brutal rape by a trynda EVER
the man said he had a full page of crit runes, and with gauntlets had over 40% crit chance at level 1.
Proceeded to first blood, get an PD in the first 10 minutes and rape all day long

i swear to god endless gay is soooooooo broken on a champ that crits over 1000 xD

On May 04 2011 02:00 yellowguan wrote:
Anyone ever try the bellaflica/cowboys tryn opener?

You get armor yellows, blue mresist

Farm and get 3 avarice blades and get IE --> finish mercury's --> Youmuus.

On May 06 2011 09:59 yellowguan wrote:
What always bugs me is whether or not to grab crit chance or armor pen in your rune page, i have both, but i don't exactly know which one is better in the beginning, especially for the first gank + controlling dragon.

Anyone know a link or calculation to which is better? be much appreciated

On May 06 2011 10:54 Zato-1 wrote:

The value of crit chance goes up the more AD you have.

If you have 60 AD, then 20% crit chance will give you 20% chance of +60 damage, so it's roughly as valuable as 60*0.2 = 12 AD.

If you have 200 AD, then 20% crit chance will give you 20% chance of +200 damage, so it's roughly as valuable as 200*0.2 = 40 AD.

Getting 20% crit chance costs just as much, gold-wise or runes-wise, in both cases, and yet the benefit you get from that 20% crit chance is very different in those two cases.

Taking the gold cost of Brawler's gloves and Longswords as baseline, 20% crit chance would be 2.5 brawler's gloves or 1000g worth of crit items; if you'd spent that 1000g on longsword-equivalent items, you could have bought 2.4 longswords worth of AD, or 24 AD.

12 AD < 24 AD < 40 AD, so if you only have 60 AD, then it's more worthwhile to spend your gold on AD than on crit; if you have 200 AD, then it's more worthwhile to spend your gold on crit than on AD.

The breakeven point between AD and crit is 125 AD; getting crit is a viable option at that point. Because you have a lot less than 125 AD at level 1, AD > crit at that point. You can do the same calculation with Runes as the scarce resource instead of gold, and the result will also be favorable to AD over crit.

TL;DR: Crit is a great lategame stat, but it's a lousy earlygame stat.

All of this ONLY considers the effect of the two stats on your autoattack; beyond this analysis, you should look for the synergy between the stats and your champion's skills. Jarman and Renekton get a lot of synergy with AD and armor pen on their skills, and no synergy from crit, so you'll want to favor AD and armor pen on them; Trynd has great synergy with crit on his skillset, so you'll want more crit on him than on most champions.

Finally, armor pen's value increases the closer to 0 you can get your target's armor (and if you manage to get it to 0, then additional armor pen does nothing and is worthless); against very high armor targets, armor pen is an awful stat. Early game, champions tend to have little armor, so it's good against them- but minions have no armor, so armor pen is wasted against those.

Pretty long-winded rant from me, but that's how the theory works behind all of that. As for the practical part, you'll need an actual Trynd player to tell you what works better in their experience, and I don't play Trynd.

On May 06 2011 21:13 unichan wrote:
jungle tryn guide:
vamp scepter
atk spd/arpen runes
get q first
build wriggles
go around killing stuff
the end~

On May 07 2011 00:42 APurpleCow wrote:
uh what?

Crit increases in value the more AD you have, true, but AD also increases in value the more crit you have. Apen has the same relationship: it's also more valuable the more AD or Crit you have.

If you have 125 AD and 0% crit, yea, crit is what you should go for, but if you have 125 AD and 80% crit, you need more AD.

On May 06 2011 10:54 Zato-1 wrote:
The breakeven point between AD and crit is 125 AD; getting crit is a viable option at that point.

On May 07 2011 10:15 yellowguan wrote:
I like the discussion this thread is moving onto,
The values of critchance/critdmg/armor pen for Tryndamere reds are varied, along with many of the other types of glyphs.. and many HIGH ELO players who play Tryndamere have very varied rune pages and playstyles:

For Jungling,

H4ckerv2, probably the most renowned Tryndamere and most heavily discussed in this thread, he obviously uses ASPD and ARPEN, along with CDR, there's nothing else to discuss about him.

Bellaflica, among other tryndameres (I saw cowboys use this rune page) employs yellow armors, mresists at 18, ARPEN, and most interestingly, movespd quints, (As discussed before, he needs this for the 3 avarice build) are also pretty successful Tryndameres.

For Laning,

ENFOTHESLAYER before the Tryndamere 5 second ult nerf/buff used crit chance and LITERALLY carried himself up to 1800 ELO (check his champions played, 2nd most played is 10 games with Ashe), however, his recent games have been showing lack of ability, so he probably hasn't adjusted to this new patch. One thing worth noting is that he even dedicates his rune pages to situations for ranked play, something I would like to go more in depth...

However, there's one Tryndamere that has quite possibly the most outrageous rune page,
Jenika has junk for a runepage, but the most important thing from his rune page is crit dmg and move speed, and despite this, his win ratio is 57% and he played a whopping 400 games. I have no idea how he plays Tryndamere, but it must be a treat to watch.

Scyx17 lately has also been playing Tryndamere, i'd like to see how he plays him

So from what i've collected the most viable
Reds: ARPen/Crit DMG/Crit Chance/Aspd
Yellows:Armor/Aspd/CritChance
Blues:Mresist/Aspd/CDR
Quints: Anything mentioned from the red plus movespeed

EDIT: I have a question concerning h4cker's heart of gold + phage playstyle as of late, his stream is on right now and i wonder why he goes this route, any answers?

On May 13 2011 21:31 Sentenal wrote:
To throw my 2 cents in about Rune pages, I like to go for Crit Chance runes. I'll have like, 30-40% crit at level one (at full health) this way, and it helps. The main thing it helps is getting bloodlust stacks, so you can stay in lane for longer, or stay in jungle longer. Doing both of these things mean you get more farm, and more farm means you get your items alot faster. It helps hit like a truck occasionally, but thats just a bonus. Beyond that, it lets you switch up your build a bit (for the better). I'll turn my brawlers glove into an Avarice blade, get boots and a vampiric, and then head straight to BF sword/IE. The 20% crit from runes effectively lets me skip getting an early zeal that I see most other Trynds getting, since I don't need the crit. Its sacrificing the AS and stuff you would get from Zeal, but IMO Trynd is all about running into a battle, criting people in the face for a million damage. So i'd rather get early damage than early AS.

I haven't used other rune pages with Trynd (other than Crit Damage like over a year ago), so I'm not sure if overall its better than stuff like armor pen or AS runes. Works for me, though.

Cloak and Daggar seems great on Trynd, I'm just not sure if Berserker Greaves or Boots of Swiftness are a better combination with it. Been trying both.

On June 30 2011 01:43 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I don't play LoL often but when I do I love toying around as Tryn in jungle.. and lately I've been playing a super aggresive counter jungle and it works REALLY well. With the spin it's really easy to escape, and I find myself getting first blood 95% of games because people will chase me at low health and then I just turn around and crit them 2 or 3 times.

Also, lately I've been going our wraiths-enemy blue for a gank on enemy jungler and instead of getting Q at level 1, taking spin so I can catch them when they ghost, and I haven't failed at that yet. What are people supposed to be doing to counter that? Is mid supposed to stick around longer or..?

On July 02 2011 20:47 Hakker wrote:
So yeah uh I hate to admit this, but I basically just lost to a AP tryn who would literally 1shot me with spin and healed for 1k+ every few seconds.

Dunno if anyone here has ever tried it but it seemed pretty ridiculous.

On July 03 2011 03:04 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
No ie what?

I usually go Crit gloves -> Zerks -> bf -> ie

I feel like ie is just too cost effective to leave out, especially since everything on it benefits tryn

On July 03 2011 13:55 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
You get hog and avarice before zerkers though..

On July 11 2011 21:16 Gandling wrote:
Morello on Preview: Tryndamere updates!

http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/8797/?p=1

"Hey all,

We've got a pretty exciting update coming in for Tryndamere in the next patch. There's some fun content surprises related to it, but I wanted to talk about the mechanics side of this update;

Rage

Ever since Renekton, we've been thinking about the potential of a rage-related system to Tryndamere's Bloodlust. We've utilized the resource system to manage Bloodlust stacks;

* The bar maxes out at 100 Rage

* Each normal hit Tryndamere does to any minion or champion grants 5 Rage

* Crits grant 10 rage

* Killing blows on anything grant double the rage (10 for hits, 20 for crits).

* Bloodlust's bonus is now based on the rage you have (for both the bonus stats and the heal).


Why change this, you may be asking? A few reasons drove this:

* Tryndamere is great in mid and low elo, but really falls off in more competitive play. This is largely due to an early game that's really binary, and how hard it is to do anything if you can't dominate your lane. The rage system evens this out a little bit.

* Bloodlust is hard to understand as the opponent, and watching the buff bar is not as optimal for the user experience. By moving the same mechanics into the resource bar, it's easier to see and communicate, plus generally "cooler"

* It makes sense! Tryndamere is a barbarian that uses rage-themed skills A Fury meter would be what we would had done if the tech were in the same state when we launched.

We think this is going to be a nice update for Tryndamere, both for players who use him and players who fight him."

He also said in the same thread that "HP costs have been removed entirely" and "Nothing really costs Rage, it's just like Bloodlust. You get bonus stats for having it, and your Q consumes it to heal."

So no longer needs to crit to gain stacks, interesting.

On July 11 2011 22:27 NightWalks wrote:
Great this will finaly fix his R in low skill unorganized solo queues ... oh wait

On July 12 2011 02:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
I really, really don't like that crit killing blows will be worth quadruple rage. I'm just imagining jungling and being totally screwed by lack of last hit crits, or being in lane against him and having him a ton of life off the timing of a crit.

On July 12 2011 02:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
I really, really don't like that crit killing blows will be worth quadruple rage. I'm just imagining jungling and being totally screwed by lack of last hit crits, or being in lane against him and having him a ton of life off the timing of a crit.

On July 12 2011 04:23 [Agony]x90 wrote:


Well crit killing blows used to be worth 25% of his total rage bar. Now it's only worth about 20 percent of his rage bar. This is actually a bit worse, but hey, 5% is much better than 0% in terms of non crit, non kill hits. Also, crits or last hits will now be worth 10% rather than the 12.5% it used to be worth.

For this reason, don't think of it as a quadruple rage. Just think of it as a double rage (like it is currently), and that you get half rage per hit, which is huge for trynd.

On July 12 2011 04:40 Shikyo wrote:

Before: Killing crit: 25 rage, killing normal hit 12.5 rage, crit 12.5 rage.

The only thing that got buffed is normal hit giving 5 rage, which is almost entirely useless in the laning phase as you mostly want to just lasthit. It's going to be useful when fighting against champions, I guess(Although you'd have to be a fool to engage without max stacks anyway).

Overall I'd say it's a nerf, but if they remove health costs it might help.


To the person who says that trynd ult makes him able to 1v5 at trip digit elo, that's really dumb. His ulti doesn't really do anything in those cases, he can 2-hit or 3-hit any of the squishy people who can't kite and won't ever need to use the ulti. That's a huge misconception most of the time.

On July 12 2011 04:40 Shikyo wrote:

Before: Killing crit: 25 rage, killing normal hit 12.5 rage, crit 12.5 rage.

The only thing that got buffed is normal hit giving 5 rage, which is almost entirely useless in the laning phase as you mostly want to just lasthit. It's going to be useful when fighting against champions, I guess(Although you'd have to be a fool to engage without max stacks anyway).

Overall I'd say it's a nerf, but if they remove health costs it might help.


To the person who says that trynd ult makes him able to 1v5 at trip digit elo, that's really dumb. His ulti doesn't really do anything in those cases, he can 2-hit or 3-hit any of the squishy people who can't kite and won't ever need to use the ulti. That's a huge misconception most of the time.

On July 12 2011 05:26 [Agony]x90 wrote:


Well, yea, I guess that was what I was saying, just wasn't clear >.<. But still, from the games i used to play as trynd, the 5 per normal hit does help, because i've had many situations where i've been completely zoned and needed some help. Now this way, even if i can steal an auto attack on a creep here and there, i might be able to get enough to get more health from Q. If the function of Q is the same as it was before (aka you get so much hp depending on how much charges you have), grabbing early AP, as silly as it sounds, could allow you to grab one attack and get decent HP from it.

On August 02 2011 06:46 freelander wrote:
new tryn is so shitty imo

On a rational level:
He doesnt do more damage than other carries do now, why should i play him at all.
He gets almost nothing now from being on low HP, and using up fury with Q takes away every steroid he has.---> His jungling got slower, less viable routes. Probably needs wriggles now to get the same speed as old tryndamere.
He got no utility, and only ordinary damage now -> glasscannon build is a must? If you build tanky, you dont do much dmg at all, while other tanky dps bring just as muchor more dmg and more utility. Old trynd built glass cannon but he was a threat because of his extraordinary dmg output.

On an emotional level:
It doesn't feel thrilling playing him anymore. He got less unique, and at the same time uninteresting for me.

On August 02 2011 07:56 zEMPd wrote:
x2 Phantom
Berserker Boots
Infinity Edge
x2 Bloodrazor
=
GG..can auto attack a 1v5 with your ult..no need for your Q with the lifesteal..

On August 23 2011 04:26 zergnewb wrote:
Well after an embarrassing game I had last night, I found out that new tryn can still 3-5 shot people late game like he could before..

On August 23 2011 05:50 Odyssey wrote:
Man o Man. I main Tryn in ranked and I would have to say i really dislike this build. I would be willing to put up a better guide if people are interested. No disrespect to you odds but any ap on Tryn is just a terrible idea. Especially if you lane Tryn. 9/21/0 is really bad too. Items differ depending on your feed/early game. The new fury remake totally changed the game for him too but it has been growing on me slowly. I stream a lot of ranked Tryn as well on this site if anyone cares to check it out. He is very good if played correctly but you play style has to change up depending on your enemy and the amount of CC. Your summoner skill should be different every game almost due to my previous reason.
If you need to carry or up someones ELO Tryn is complete ownage sub 1800 ELO 75% of the time. There are a few real good 2000+ Tryns but it is literally a few.

I can't stand by and let you do this to my champ . Crit % is total trash on him now almost since the fury change also. As opposed to before where it was the only option. It is really bad post patch though.

On August 23 2011 07:10 DanielZKlein wrote:
Also let me just throw a thought out there: Trynda will probably never be competitively viable on Summoner's Rift because his kit pretty much means he sucks in coordinated 5v5s while he excels at small fights. Dominion may see a competitively viable Trynda.

On October 09 2011 01:45 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Anyone find tryns ult has ridiculous lag on it lately?

It is so frusterating to die when you KNOW that you hit your ult easily a second before

And canada you couldnt be more wrong. As soon as you play someone good.. tryn is almost impossible. He is so easy to kite, and has such a shit early game..

On October 09 2011 03:09 BouBou.865 wrote:

MegaZero plays Trynda solo top a lot and he crushes people like Pobelter.

On October 09 2011 03:09 BouBou.865 wrote:

MegaZero plays Trynda solo top a lot and he crushes people like Pobelter.

On October 18 2011 15:23 Vic.nQQ wrote:
I think that like many other solo tops he just isn't.. "solid". Against some champions he will be very strong, against others he will barely be able to farm, basically turning him into a situational pick.

I have only played him a few times solo top in ranked (~1600 elo), and so far have mixed feelings.
Theorycraft wise he is an extremely good late game champion, so whenever you lane solo, the main goal should be to farm, knowing that even if you get equal farm with your opponent, you will be stronger the longer the game gets.

The main thing about the early game imo is good execution of his basic harass combo - charge up rage to almost max -> make sure that the enemy minion wave isn't too big -> spin in, start hitting enemy champion and see how he reacts, if he runs away mocking shout and continue hitting him with full rage, when it's about to end go back and Q up to heal; if he tries to fight you head on, save your mocking shout for after a couple of hits and estimate how the tradeoff is going - if you hit him harder, keep the shout; if he is hitting you harder, use the shout anyway, applying only the attack dmg debuff and be ready to back off after a couple more hits.

Considering that trynd's resource is "infinite", often the lane success depends on how well and how often can you execute the harass I pointed out above.

About the runes - I didn't read the whole thread, so maybe there are better suggestions than OP, but I disagree with his AP stacking. Considering how trynd is likely going to be a diver type champon when the team fights occur, meaning he won't be attacking high armor targets, getting him as much base armor penetration as possible is very important. It's also not like the armor penetration won't help you in the laning phase, because it makes your early pokes that much stronger.

On November 23 2011 19:19 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so apparently trynd has maybe less than 2-3 hard counters? What do I pick if opponent picks trynd?

On November 23 2011 20:43 necrosed wrote:
Teemo with Exhaust makes a very sad Tryndamere. You poke him with poison when he tries to last hit creeps, blind him when he gets close to hit you and quick move to safety after the blind ends.
You can also blind him when he tries to last hit for quicks and extra rage, but that'll take your mana fast.
As Teemo, just don't be too much agressive and it should be an easy lane. Watch out for those jungle ganks and you should be able to supress Trynd.

On November 23 2011 20:43 necrosed wrote:
Teemo with Exhaust makes a very sad Tryndamere. You poke him with poison when he tries to last hit creeps, blind him when he gets close to hit you and quick move to safety after the blind ends.
You can also blind him when he tries to last hit for quicks and extra rage, but that'll take your mana fast.
As Teemo, just don't be too much agressive and it should be an easy lane. Watch out for those jungle ganks and you should be able to supress Trynd.

On November 24 2011 07:31 Holykitty wrote:


unless poison makes shout miss i dont see how teemo can do much to trynd? super early levels you will need some pots to just farm up then whenever you want just dive into his face and kill him. after lvl 6 he cant hurt you at all

On November 24 2011 07:46 Lanzoma wrote:


I take it you've never laned vs Teemo before. You can't "farm up" because you're eating at least 2 autos every time you get close to a creep, and I don't know where you get the idea that Teemo can't hurt you at all when his E does obscene amounts of damage (free BF sword on top of the DoT component).

I mean, the question shouldn't be how Teemo can handle Trynd, but how Trynd can handle Teemo at all.

On November 24 2011 08:35 Holykitty wrote:


but the whole conversation is normally about just surviving as trynd vs teemo, but it doesnt even matter. teemo is so bad late game compared to trynd that it doesnt even matter


your right though, i dont play trynd much. surely you can stack hp/5 runes and survive his early game?

On February 05 2012 01:13 Juddas wrote:
I've checked some Trynd guides after I bought him recently, and all the mobafire ones say to NOT get wriggles, even when jungling. Why? and is it really so bad?

On February 05 2012 01:13 Juddas wrote:
I've checked some Trynd guides after I bought him recently, and all the mobafire ones say to NOT get wriggles, even when jungling. Why? and is it really so bad?

On March 01 2012 03:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
I actually dont know why tryndamere fell out of favor so fast. All they did was nerf the heal on q, which you never actually used anyway.

He still crushes anyone who stands still vs him, and you aint doing shit to him in terms of burst once he gets wriggles cuz he just crits 2 creeps and is back to full health.

On March 01 2012 04:11 Dgiese wrote:


I feel the changes to his rage system were what hurt him the most. He starts losing rage after 5 seconds now as opposed to 8? I can't recall if there were other changes to it.

It's not a problem if people 'constantly' autoattack. I suppose once every 5 seconds is nowhere near 'constantly', but I liked having those extra 3 seconds before rage loss to do some extra zoning before I felt like I needed to go back and hit a creep / force a trade.

On March 08 2012 02:21 Juicyfruit wrote:
What's the optimal mark/quint choices for trynd? So many options.... I'm thinking of lifesteal quints + armor pen or attack speed marks..

Crit chance or MS quints don't sound bad either but... anyways I need advice

On March 08 2012 02:43 MindBreaker wrote:
Why is tryn so often a insta ban I'n low elo?

On March 08 2012 02:21 Juicyfruit wrote:
What's the optimal mark/quint choices for solotop trynd? So many options.... I'm thinking of lifesteal quints + armor pen or attack speed marks..

Crit chance or MS quints don't sound bad either but... anyways I need advice

On March 08 2012 16:48 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I tend to build tryn straight glass cannon, are you saying thats a bad idea? I cant see building sustainability on him useful :S

He has such amazing ability to get into melee range with his W and E, and once he gets there there is nothing you can do about it

On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?

i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.

is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD?

On March 13 2012 04:34 courtpanda wrote:
trynd theoretically should beat any ranged AD carry 1v1, right?

i was playing against a tristana as trynd, i had wriggles, merctreads, PD, IE, LW, PD. (was going to replace wriggles with BT if the game got that far). the trist was somehow outdamaging me, and i needed my ult just to 1v1 her.

is this the right build, or should i get a BT instead of the last PD?

On March 13 2012 23:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote:


Why you would ever get a 2nd PD is beyond me. You have pretty much max crit with one PD, IE, and passive. You make one of the stats on there completely redudant, if you want the attack speed that bad grab a recurve bow and build madreds or something

On March 14 2012 05:50 Tryndamere wrote:


I main Tryn, and the reason to get 2nd PD is to have much faster chasing and escaping (this is very important when it comes to fighting champs with escape, gap closer and movement debuff on you) along with higher AS and quicker 100% crit. If enemy has FH, you will definitely want another PD to offset the AS debuff otherwise you hit so slow and you will be easily out dpsed.

Yes, you can get a recurve bow and build something like madreds but madreds is very expensive and ineffective on Tryn. If you build recurve into anything else, it will be a very weak item late game.

On March 14 2012 14:10 Ian Ian Ian wrote:


You have trouble gap closing as tryn? You are playing him wrong

On March 14 2012 14:41 miicah wrote:
Watched TRM play trynd top lane last night against a Graves (lol)

Boots/3 > zerkers + vamp > rush PD > IE

Also he had a rune page called windamere in which every single rune was AS, lol

On March 15 2012 02:20 Tryndamere wrote:


You don't get it do you, you can close gap with spin but other champs can counter with their escape/gap closer/blow your away and the mocking shout right after won't give you enough time to close gaps after spin if they have treads or if they are smart enough to get qss or cleanse(for overall cc not just for mocking shout).

Let me give you 1 basic scenario. Suppose you wanna gank Vayne, she sees you coming then immediately tumbles away from you, you spin to close gap but won't cover enough distance and you use mocking shout to slow her down. She blows you away and stuns you against terrain. You are pretty much forced to pop ult right away because of her AS, 2xPD, BC, BT. By the time you recover from the stun you will be chasing after her, since she has 2xPD and you can't chase her down and you die soon after she kites you. If you had 2xPD, this would turn out differently because Vayne has lower base MS and you can close the short gap much quick with 2xPD and land couple hits to leech some hp back and final hit will kill her.

I am not gonna argue this with you because obviously YOU haven't played enough with Tryn or played against any good people. There is a big difference between pub stomping against noobs and playing Tryn at a higher level against people with brains. You just typed one sentence argument without even explaining anything. You automatically assume I play Tryn wrong, to me this is just ignorant and you deserve to be given a warning from the admin. I will not reply to anything you say in the future, unworthy of my time.

On May 26 2012 17:42 Owned Noob wrote:
does anyone know what good matchups are for trynd? i always beat him in lane when i play against him, but i recently jungled him in normals and i realized how fucking gay he is with split push and 1v1 and shit, so ive been thinking about trying him out in ranked. i dont think jungle trynd is optimal b/c you get your items that much slower, so what do you guys think are good matchups for him

On February 12 2013 08:38 nosliw wrote:
So I been seeing AP trynd tops. Both opening with AP and switch to AD and staying with AP.
What Rune/Mastery do you use to build AP trynd/

On February 12 2013 08:53 Djagulingu wrote:

WTF is an AP trynd? Some troll build like AP sion or AP warwick (you know, we don't have bloodrazors in s3)? AP trynd can't be played in the same manner as AP yi. Trynd doesn't have stupidly high ratios in his spin or heal let alone equally stupid resets.

On February 12 2013 09:03 Seuss wrote:


He doesn't need resets. With max CDR Q is on a 7.2 second cooldown, and E is basically reset every time you crit. A full AP build is semi-troll, but someone carried themselves with it from sub-bronze to platinum before the new system went in place.

Starting with a ton of AP from runes/masteries and/or a Amplifying Tome and then shifting to a standard AD build later isn't troll. It was fairly common right after his remake, and is only stronger now that every other high-sustain top laner has been nerfed. It makes it nearly impossible to stop Tryndamere from farming and winning his lane, even under jungler pressure. There's just not a lot you can do about a champion who heals for 100+ health every 11.5 seconds starting from level 1.

On February 21 2013 02:20 clickrush wrote:
is there a good transition out of the core build (cdr boots + nashors) that makes him a better teamfighter? just to have that option.

On February 21 2013 01:42 barbsq wrote:
The significant part of the sustain is that it's burst healing, making a comparison to pots pretty nil. The simple fact is that a late game trynd can straight up ignore at least 2 ppl and take towers. Stuff like nidalee runs away when ppl come, wheras trynd has the option to just tank ppl for awhile and then run away when things get hairy. This allows your team to either fight 4 v 3 or stall effectively in 5 v 4 situations.

Edit: I think the comparison to ap yi is kinda off-base as well. Ap yi is team-dependent because he relies on his team for resets in team fights, but ap trynd literally never team fights. He's just an immovable pusher. I've seen quality player straight up carry games despite ending games at like 1-8

On February 21 2013 05:21 Lightswarm wrote:


if you have morello+nash, that maxes out your cdr, so you rly dont need the cdr boots. i usually take tp when laning or jungling so i can extend my map presence. twin shadow is a good way to show where the enemies are if you feel like they are near you, not to mention the slow and bonus MS it gives you. i dont like dcap because you dont really need the burst of ap, more like sustained dmg. obviously, playing trynd means you have to dive into the enemy team without fear so thats just something you have to feel for yourself. Rylai helps alot, but i would get that as one of my last items

On February 21 2013 06:06 rhs408 wrote:
The last 5 tryndameres that I've spectated all went AP... I think the secret is out lol.



Well the whole point of Nashor's (imo anyways) is that it is a better core item on Tryn than morello's - you're not supposed to get both (and assuming you have CDR masteries, both of these items together puts you over the CDR cap). Dcap gives like an extra 200hp on your heal with zero fury (+ an extra 150 or so on your spin) - nothing to scoff at. Never heard of getting Rylai's on tryn, does his spin even proc the slow since it's all physical damage?

On February 21 2013 06:19 Lightswarm wrote:
EDIT: Rylai does proc with the spin. just tested this

On February 21 2013 10:34 clickrush wrote:
I just faced an ap trynd and its ridiculously weak agaisnt jax. don't even bother playing it against a jax and don't pick trynd anyway if jax is open and top lane not taken. the ap trynd even got massive babysitt support from a shaco who ganked from all sides at the right times so he had time to outcs me but even when ahead he cant stop you from outtrading him. jax outright bullies ap trynd its not even funny. it was the standard cdr boots, nashors dc build.

just outsustaining doesnt work against jax. just two dorans blades or a vamp + some pots is completely enough to outsustain Q spam. if jax just constantly attacks on trynd he eventually gets ahead. I basicly turned his game around and pushed two turrets even before he got my first one. and again that was after having a couple very scary shaco ganks where he went 1:0:1 and outfarmed me by almost 20cs...

On February 21 2013 12:17 jaybrundage wrote:

I can verify this. I just played as ap trynd vs jax. I picked into the match up cause im a foo. But the jax's burst and consistent dmg as well as His gap closer made it so it was a very difficult lane to go against. I got behind early but we were able to pull up the win casue of misplays on there part

On February 21 2013 15:56 Amarok wrote:
Party's over gentlemen. Someone called the cops and they're on their way aws.

Bloodlust Q

AP scaling on his active is now .2*AP (down from 1.5*AP)
Now has a 0.01* AP scailing on the health per fury consumed.

With 100 fury the ratio will be 1.2, but AP Tryndamere will not be able to just press the button every 9 seconds for 1.5AP in hp. As-is, its literally just a huge regen steroid cause he has no incentive to build up fury for healz. The nerfs will give him a reason to get fury before healing, but with full fury the nerf is barely anything.

.01 * 100 fury is 1AP, + the .2 from the base.

On February 24 2013 03:44 Bladeorade wrote:
AP Trynd is stupid. Gimmicky and lame.

I also just faced one as Garen and took a huge dump on his chest.

On February 24 2013 03:44 Bladeorade wrote:
AP Trynd is stupid. Gimmicky and lame.

I also just faced one as Garen and took a huge dump on his chest.

On March 01 2013 01:04 RouaF wrote:


Yup. And the price will be losing a lot of games after the nerf because they got their ass carried way too high by that broken s**t l0l.

On March 01 2013 01:12 sylverfyre wrote:
Voyboy put on a clinic of just how bullshit it is in LCS. Laughing off so much damage and only dying when he was 4 man ganked near top inhib turret with no wards.

Even Zion's AP trynd in LCS, though he played it rather poorly, was giving TSM issues at pushing lanes even though he played it really poorly (dying with ulti available, attacking dyrus instead of the turret, taking too many kills)

Eventually TSM just crushed the other 4 members so hard that they won. They didn't even handle AP tryndamere particularly well.

AP Trynamere is pretty much bullshit.