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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 24 2011 09:53 GMT
#21
On January 17 2011 03:32 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 02:33 mrgerry wrote:
Sheen gives you the much needed mana pool and sustained damage behind q. I'd rather not wait for 3k gold to start doing anything 1260 will do.

The point of AP Poppy is not sustained damage - its burst, and DFG gives you CDR in addition to everything else.

Philo boots sheen isn't delayed at all

Yes it is - I get Shen on my first B (unless I'm underfarmed from harassment)


The point of Madred's is it's a great item to buy when you want it as a sole dps item along with tank items. Going AD would be pretty dumb at that point when I have 0 armor pen to back it up

I see your point - I'm just making sure that people don't see madreds as the end-of-all damage item for Poppy. It really only makes sense to buy it agains tanks, as Poppy doesn't have an aspd stereoid. I used the madreds build a lot about 6 months ago, so I know its potent

5 sec cd with full cdr will get uses. Q gains 20 dmg per lvl and 1 sec less on the cd. In most cases I'll need the E to keep going with a chase or provide the opportunity for more Q's so I find lvling it's better scaling damage and less cd is more useful.

Look again - leveling Q reduces cooldown and increases damage by some 40-50 per level (can't remember exactly). I know the base damage only gets 20 more, but the max damage gets buffed quite good as well, and I stand by my point that you rarely get to use E 2 times in the same fight, unless you are hardcore chasing.

On January 16 2011 21:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
POPPY IS NOT A TANK

The idea is to use the magic dmg from the trinity procs on the Q to the fullest by investing in tank cdr items.

I'm just saying that you should back off on the beefyness. Poppy's passive makes defensive items a bit meh to buy, as they have diminishing returns. You still need them, but that build just seems too tanky.


The reason why this build won't work is because if you are going to go down the AD route Poppy will need a ghostblade/ie to start hitting that insane burst from the crits. You won't be going sheen or rushing ie first. That is just dumb with poppy's base attack speed. You will need the ghostblade first.

I was surprised the first time I looked at Poppys aspd at lvl 12ish - Its actually higher than you would think (given her horrible base aspd). Shen IS A MUST on AD poppy. I think the only reason you think its bad is because you view Q is bad. IE + Shen gives a mean Q at lvl 14-16 (Possible time to get both in a good game), outdamaging even lichbane procs on AP poppy.

AD Poppy build would be more Ghostblade/Boots - zeal - IE - Last Whisper - Phantom Dancer

AD Poppy focusses on splitting damage between physical and magical damage. I might consider getting Ghostblade before IE in the future. It semms easier to get as its components are cheaper, and the active is just sweet on Poppy.

No reason to go sheen since you won't be using Q because your auto attacks will start to hit harder since they are backed by armor pen.

Wrong - sorry. On AD Poppy your Q is basically a double damage hit, doing magic damage, punishes health stacking and resets your autoattacks as a bonus.


Some basic reasoning for my arguments. You seem to vastly underestimate Q, and as a result your entire take on Poppy is quite loopsided. Q is the main source of damage for Poppy, and is the first thing you max. 20+ damage is only the base damage on the skill, add the very nifty increase to max damage and the numbers start looking better. E may add more damage in base numbers, but the increased max damage makes Q deal more damage in all situations (noone has low enough health at level 9 to prefer E over Q for damage).

You realize that mrgerry is spudboy and he's ranked in the top 100 right?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 24 2011 09:54 GMT
#22
Like, I'm pretty sure he'd shit all over you with every champ.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 09:55:45
February 24 2011 09:54 GMT
#23
Also you're hella wrong about Q and sheen lol

max w, abuse sheen proc

I know most players think E but I love me some paragon of demacia
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
February 24 2011 10:09 GMT
#24
Zerg, even if he would 'shit all over him with every champ' that doesn't make his builds perfect. Wouldn't hurt to be more constructive.
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 24 2011 10:41 GMT
#25
I don't have to be more constructive. Spud fucking laid out how he plays poppy, and as far as I'm concerned that's the best way to play poppy.

User was warned for this post
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
February 24 2011 11:07 GMT
#26
That doesn't help anyone. There's nothing wrong with having a good discussion about the pros and cons of certain builds; both sides are explaining their points, and while they might not convince each other, anyone else reading the posts can use it to help themselves.

Going "LOL HE'S TOP 100 THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG" is just a waste of time. (Especially if you make a post right after that saying how your build differs from Spud's when you claim his is the best. )
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 24 2011 18:13 GMT
#27
you guys forget the most important part of playing poppy, get E at level 1 and zerg their jungler at his blue, once you get the timing down you can fuck up a lot of junglers and even outright kill some at blue level one. (rammus, warwick, amumu, couple others)

really easy way to get FB and demoralize the other team
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 24 2011 18:33 GMT
#28
On February 25 2011 03:13 Brees wrote:
you guys forget the most important part of playing poppy, get E at level 1 and zerg their jungler at his blue, once you get the timing down you can fuck up a lot of junglers and even outright kill some at blue level one. (rammus, warwick, amumu, couple others)

really easy way to get FB and demoralize the other team

alternatively if they are well guarded at blue, you can do this at wraiths
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 24 2011 18:36 GMT
#29
Also, there's literally no point to arguing with zaphod. he openly stated he hasn't done AP before, and thus has 0 clue what he's even talking about until he does.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 25 2011 05:19 GMT
#30
It's like Michael Jordan telling you how he shoots free throws and then some high school kid comes along telling Michael Jordan he's wrong and I'm Charles Barkley telling you that I shoot free throws differently but stfu and listen to Michael.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 11:08:23
February 25 2011 11:07 GMT
#31
On February 25 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It's like Michael Jordan telling you how he shoots free throws and then some high school kid comes along telling Michael Jordan he's wrong and I'm Charles Barkley telling you that I shoot free throws differently but stfu and listen to Michael.

I guess you have heard of High Jump. At first, people would use a technique called scissors. That's what all the pros did. Then there was this Dick Fosbury guy who said that this vastly different technique he uses would be better. Everyone laughed at him. It's now the standard, because it simply is a superior technique. Physics tells us that the Fosbury Flop is better than the Scissors Jump, and I would assume that Fosbury verified that before he actually went to try it out.

Long story short: Just because someone is currently one of the best at something, it doesn't mean that his opinion should be followed blindly. And even if you are not one of the best at something, you can still make valid and good suggestions.

(might not be 100% historically correct because I don't really care about High Jump)
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 25 2011 13:30 GMT
#32
On February 25 2011 20:07 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It's like Michael Jordan telling you how he shoots free throws and then some high school kid comes along telling Michael Jordan he's wrong and I'm Charles Barkley telling you that I shoot free throws differently but stfu and listen to Michael.

I guess you have heard of High Jump. At first, people would use a technique called scissors. That's what all the pros did. Then there was this Dick Fosbury guy who said that this vastly different technique he uses would be better. Everyone laughed at him. It's now the standard, because it simply is a superior technique. Physics tells us that the Fosbury Flop is better than the Scissors Jump, and I would assume that Fosbury verified that before he actually went to try it out.

Long story short: Just because someone is currently one of the best at something, it doesn't mean that his opinion should be followed blindly. And even if you are not one of the best at something, you can still make valid and good suggestions.

(might not be 100% historically correct because I don't really care about High Jump)

you make a good point but u argue for the sake of arguing too much. this is one of the few things ill agree on. In other news, You still give terrible champion advice and i grimace nearly every time i read a strategy post from you.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 25 2011 14:55 GMT
#33
On February 25 2011 22:30 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 20:07 spinesheath wrote:
On February 25 2011 14:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It's like Michael Jordan telling you how he shoots free throws and then some high school kid comes along telling Michael Jordan he's wrong and I'm Charles Barkley telling you that I shoot free throws differently but stfu and listen to Michael.

I guess you have heard of High Jump. At first, people would use a technique called scissors. That's what all the pros did. Then there was this Dick Fosbury guy who said that this vastly different technique he uses would be better. Everyone laughed at him. It's now the standard, because it simply is a superior technique. Physics tells us that the Fosbury Flop is better than the Scissors Jump, and I would assume that Fosbury verified that before he actually went to try it out.

Long story short: Just because someone is currently one of the best at something, it doesn't mean that his opinion should be followed blindly. And even if you are not one of the best at something, you can still make valid and good suggestions.

(might not be 100% historically correct because I don't really care about High Jump)

you make a good point but u argue for the sake of arguing too much. this is one of the few things ill agree on. In other news, You still give terrible champion advice and i grimace nearly every time i read a strategy post from you.

Did I piss you off because I expected you to crush me harder in mid?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 25 2011 15:28 GMT
#34
Oh shit somebody E them both into a wall before the fight breaks out!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 25 2011 15:41 GMT
#35
No need, Spinseath has full cdr so his arrow will be up before the fight ends.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 25 2011 16:35 GMT
#36
Just for the record: I am not looking for a fight.

5HIT suggested to follow Spud's Poppy guide for one of the worst reasons possible. I explained why it is a bad reason. I do that because when I play with TL I want to play with thinking people, not with sheep.

Notice that I'm not saying that you should not follow Spud's guide. I play Poppy in a very similar way.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 25 2011 16:39 GMT
#37
Actually everyone agrees with your point ezpz is just hating on you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 25 2011 16:46 GMT
#38
I agree. If spud went lichbane ashe 5hit would call it viable cuz Mr.Gerry is spudboy and a top 100 player.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 17:14:42
February 25 2011 17:11 GMT
#39
I don't think rushing Philo Stone poppy is good. The philo stone playstyle just suits SpudBoy's play better. Others using philo stone poppy might find it less efficient.
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
February 25 2011 23:06 GMT
#40
Don't hate on me cause I'm not Top 100

I play causually, and don't even try to get high in rankings.
Whats more - I never critizised his AP build beyond mentioning that DFG might be better to get before sheen (And actually learned myself that E has better scaling).

Instead I stated a build that I find a valid alternative to AP Poppy. Just because 90% of poeple do a build, does not make it the "right" build to do for you. I go AD on Poppy because it suits my playstyle.

To be honest tho, I firmly believe that you can build whatever you want on Poppy, as long as you get sheen. Almost anything works on her (apart from health stacking) - you just build whatever works for your playstyle and/or adapt to the situation.
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