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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
August 06 2012 20:43 GMT
#581
A friend of mine likes Nunu a lot and plays him as support or mid usually. Incidentally, he started using Nunu top too, if he has to play top, but didn't have a refined build before. He "improved" dramatically after i told him about Mogwai's build. :D
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 07 2012 03:40 GMT
#582
Rofl solotop Nunu with promote is so hilariously funny. Seige em at the tower with a promoted+BB'd Nunu and rape their jungle.
Forever Young
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 07:33:54
August 07 2012 07:32 GMT
#583
I'm so angry.

Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me.

Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team....

Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 07 2012 12:38 GMT
#584
On August 07 2012 16:32 VashTS wrote:
I'm so angry.

Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me.

Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team....

Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good.

Shaco, TF and Shen ouch. Never safe in the top lane

I am looking forward to trying Promote nunu for the lawls.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 16:50:42
August 07 2012 16:48 GMT
#585
On August 07 2012 16:32 VashTS wrote:
I'm so angry.

Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me.

Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team....

Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good.


Against Yorick I start Q and max Q first, that's the only way I've found that lets me reliably deal with his red ghouls without being pushed back. (Also, our jungler will love you if you help him get blue with Q.)
Starting E instead of Q gets me too low on health and allows Yorick to zone me early on. (He can then deny cs while pushing the lane, and you'll miss cs if you have a large wave under tower, and he can still harrass you there.)

It's usually a stalemate until my first back -- if done right, Yorick should run out of mana a bit before you, giving you a cs advantage. Once I get challice (I skip gp10 here) I can start pushing Yorick back, once I get my first CDR item I can bully him, and once I get Athene's there's nothing Yorick can do in lane anymore. That's my experience anyway.

I also like using my ult rather often in this matchup. Yorick can't interrupt it, so any time when he's in melee range and there's creeps around I'll usually ult; if he doesn't flash he'll lose too much health to trade with you (he can't rely on red ghoul), and if he farms the pushed wave under tower you can keep harassing him or roam for a bit.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 07 2012 16:55 GMT
#586
People tend to camp the lanes that are getting crapped on the hardest. If you're doing your job right as Nunu, the enemy jungler should be spending quite a bit of time top, and perhaps even the mid. If your jungler/mid is paying attention, they should come top to help, or get a free turret or Dragon out of the deal.

The difference with Nunu as opposed to other tops is, you're pretty damn fine when being camped. I mean, no one does well against 3v1 dives, but between Consume, Snowball, and Chalice, you can shrug off the occasional gank or harass easier than nearly anyone else, aside from maybe Riven's mobility or WW sustain. And because of how your kit works, even if you're camped and behind farm, you still bring a lot to the late game with Snowball and BB.

Meanwhile, while you're getting camped, your jungle/mid are free to take objectives or crush bot/mid lane. There are very few other tops that can boast both lane dominance and gold-independence in the way Nunu can.
It's your boy Guzma!
Bflomatiq
Profile Joined August 2011
France40 Posts
August 07 2012 18:36 GMT
#587
Gotta love your team.. I fb jax on red lvl 2 and get all his buffs ( i mean first three reds and blues he wasn't really good at smiting ;D ) and then when i fail to steal baron due to taric stun, 3 premades flame me in chat " report nunu so bad its so easy to steal "
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 07 2012 19:40 GMT
#588
On August 08 2012 01:55 Requizen wrote:
People tend to camp the lanes that are getting crapped on the hardest. If you're doing your job right as Nunu, the enemy jungler should be spending quite a bit of time top, and perhaps even the mid. If your jungler/mid is paying attention, they should come top to help, or get a free turret or Dragon out of the deal.

The difference with Nunu as opposed to other tops is, you're pretty damn fine when being camped. I mean, no one does well against 3v1 dives, but between Consume, Snowball, and Chalice, you can shrug off the occasional gank or harass easier than nearly anyone else, aside from maybe Riven's mobility or WW sustain. And because of how your kit works, even if you're camped and behind farm, you still bring a lot to the late game with Snowball and BB.

Meanwhile, while you're getting camped, your jungle/mid are free to take objectives or crush bot/mid lane. There are very few other tops that can boast both lane dominance and gold-independence in the way Nunu can.

Nunu gets ganked

Double kill

That's the power of the empire
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 07 2012 19:45 GMT
#589
On August 08 2012 04:40 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 01:55 Requizen wrote:
People tend to camp the lanes that are getting crapped on the hardest. If you're doing your job right as Nunu, the enemy jungler should be spending quite a bit of time top, and perhaps even the mid. If your jungler/mid is paying attention, they should come top to help, or get a free turret or Dragon out of the deal.

The difference with Nunu as opposed to other tops is, you're pretty damn fine when being camped. I mean, no one does well against 3v1 dives, but between Consume, Snowball, and Chalice, you can shrug off the occasional gank or harass easier than nearly anyone else, aside from maybe Riven's mobility or WW sustain. And because of how your kit works, even if you're camped and behind farm, you still bring a lot to the late game with Snowball and BB.

Meanwhile, while you're getting camped, your jungle/mid are free to take objectives or crush bot/mid lane. There are very few other tops that can boast both lane dominance and gold-independence in the way Nunu can.

Nunu gets ganked

Double kill

That's the power of the empire

Oh dude, it's the best. Bait out CCs, eat a creep, channel ult. Snowball and kill everything. Sion lane was fun, I'd eat his stun, Shy has no CC, ult both and double kill.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 07 2012 19:48 GMT
#590
i found AD sion the hardest matchup so far tbh
his ult cooldown is on a low enough cooldown and shield is strong enough base that he can block every snowball and heal up the ones he does

and then in the end it's AD sion v AP nunu, so both champs are of only relative strength anyways. so that's okay i guess

i'm feeling a slight rework of nunu to keep his "stronger" feel but relegate him from "overpowered" status. i think they will turn snowball into a nuke-only skill and move the -AS/-MS to bloodboil. bloodboil will then work like infuse, where it can give +stats to an ally or -stats to an enemy. i think this will retain his strength but take away some of his ridiculous unchaseability
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 07 2012 19:54 GMT
#591
that would effectively remove support nunu from the game.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 07 2012 19:58 GMT
#592
I doubt we'll see that drastic of a change in the near future.

I didn't really feel that bad vs Sion. Then again, I never straight engaged unless Ignite was up for his Ult, so I always won trades. Shield is 12-18 seconds base (depending on how long you hold it vs exploding it) against 6 second base snowball, and you build CDR unlike him. Plus, the shield isn't too big as AD, so popping it isn't a big deal. I just spammed E at him and ate when he stun-shield-auto combo'd me.

If he tries to force you to fight, ignite him after his ult and start ulting, he can't do anything about it.
It's your boy Guzma!
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 04:29:30
August 08 2012 04:27 GMT
#593
So I've swapped lucky pick with sheen nowadays

Is this comparatively worse? It gives me a decent excuse to run hybrid reds
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 08 2012 05:15 GMT
#594
i just run hybrid reds anyway for punching people in the face. sheen delays your core even more in 2 ways (costs more and doesn't generate income), so I don't think it's a good idea.
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VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
August 08 2012 05:16 GMT
#595
On August 08 2012 01:48 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 16:32 VashTS wrote:
I'm so angry.

Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me.

Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team....

Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good.


Against Yorick I start Q and max Q first, that's the only way I've found that lets me reliably deal with his red ghouls without being pushed back. (Also, our jungler will love you if you help him get blue with Q.)
Starting E instead of Q gets me too low on health and allows Yorick to zone me early on. (He can then deny cs while pushing the lane, and you'll miss cs if you have a large wave under tower, and he can still harrass you there.)

It's usually a stalemate until my first back -- if done right, Yorick should run out of mana a bit before you, giving you a cs advantage. Once I get challice (I skip gp10 here) I can start pushing Yorick back, once I get my first CDR item I can bully him, and once I get Athene's there's nothing Yorick can do in lane anymore. That's my experience anyway.

I also like using my ult rather often in this matchup. Yorick can't interrupt it, so any time when he's in melee range and there's creeps around I'll usually ult; if he doesn't flash he'll lose too much health to trade with you (he can't rely on red ghoul), and if he farms the pushed wave under tower you can keep harassing him or roam for a bit.

Yeah, I always start Q but max E first, but this game we invaded (which means I had to go E first) nabbing FB for myself and an assist from another kill. I thought I would shit on Yorick. Welp...

Didn't realize I needed to max Q until level 6, which is was a bit late by then.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 08 2012 05:44 GMT
#596
On August 08 2012 14:15 Mogwai wrote:
i just run hybrid reds anyway for punching people in the face. sheen delays your core even more in 2 ways (costs more and doesn't generate income), so I don't think it's a good idea.

Maybe sheen IS core on nunu, perhaps like jungle cow

Something just feels good when you iceball->sheen punch for even better trading, and none of the stats are wasted. Maybe it's a win moar item :s Of course I'll have to do more playtesting, but for now it doesn't seem completely retarded
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 06:03:58
August 08 2012 06:01 GMT
#597
On August 08 2012 14:44 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 14:15 Mogwai wrote:
i just run hybrid reds anyway for punching people in the face. sheen delays your core even more in 2 ways (costs more and doesn't generate income), so I don't think it's a good idea.

Maybe sheen IS core on nunu, perhaps like jungle cow

Something just feels good when you iceball->sheen punch for even better trading, and none of the stats are wasted. Maybe it's a win moar item :s Of course I'll have to do more playtesting, but for now it doesn't seem completely retarded

What would you even remove from the current core, though?
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 06:04:58
August 08 2012 06:04 GMT
#598
Separate post for this:

Nunu wrecks Diana in lane.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 08 2012 06:12 GMT
#599
On August 08 2012 15:01 VashTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 14:44 101toss wrote:
On August 08 2012 14:15 Mogwai wrote:
i just run hybrid reds anyway for punching people in the face. sheen delays your core even more in 2 ways (costs more and doesn't generate income), so I don't think it's a good idea.

Maybe sheen IS core on nunu, perhaps like jungle cow

Something just feels good when you iceball->sheen punch for even better trading, and none of the stats are wasted. Maybe it's a win moar item :s Of course I'll have to do more playtesting, but for now it doesn't seem completely retarded

What would you even remove from the current core, though?

I axed lucky pick (not really core though). You still get Grail and FH if no one else is.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 13:41:01
August 08 2012 12:45 GMT
#600
On August 08 2012 15:04 VashTS wrote:
Separate post for this:

Nunu wrecks Diana in lane.

Not surprised. Diana can't jump back out after going in, so she can't end a trade after tossing a bit of burst on Nunu. Nunu can extend the trades long enough to pop the shield, and Diana's shield is very mana hungry and not short enough CD (10 seconds CD counted from after the balls explode and refresh the shield or expire) Meanwhile the slows (both types) mean that diana will have a hard time getting much out of her passive.
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