EPT[Champion] Nunu - Page 30
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me. Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team.... Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:32 VashTS wrote: I'm so angry. Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me. Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team.... Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good. Shaco, TF and Shen ouch. Never safe in the top lane  I am looking forward to trying Promote nunu for the lawls. | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:32 VashTS wrote: I'm so angry. Finally got to play vs a Yorick. I was so excited! But them their entire team decided to also be in my lane. First, Shaco ganks me, got killed. Second, Support Shen TP's top early to prevent me from double-killing Shaco and Yoroick (got Yorick though). Third, Shen Ults to save Yorick while Yorick kills me. After that, I forget exactly what happened in what order, but basically: Lane ruined 3 times by Shen, 4 Shaco ganks, 2 TF Ults on me all together. I even managed to push Yorick back when he was ahead of me, which cost me. Also, that red ghosts CD is friggen ridiculous. Started to max Q after level 3 E to bring down my CD, which helped a lot, but was not enough since Yorick was worlds ahead of me by getting a silly amount of help from his team.... Still pissed off about this.. But at least me, Kog, and Blitz doom pushed vs their entire team through bot lane, causing a surrender. BB on Kog so good. Against Yorick I start Q and max Q first, that's the only way I've found that lets me reliably deal with his red ghouls without being pushed back. (Also, our jungler will love you if you help him get blue with Q.) Starting E instead of Q gets me too low on health and allows Yorick to zone me early on. (He can then deny cs while pushing the lane, and you'll miss cs if you have a large wave under tower, and he can still harrass you there.) It's usually a stalemate until my first back -- if done right, Yorick should run out of mana a bit before you, giving you a cs advantage. Once I get challice (I skip gp10 here) I can start pushing Yorick back, once I get my first CDR item I can bully him, and once I get Athene's there's nothing Yorick can do in lane anymore. That's my experience anyway. I also like using my ult rather often in this matchup. Yorick can't interrupt it, so any time when he's in melee range and there's creeps around I'll usually ult; if he doesn't flash he'll lose too much health to trade with you (he can't rely on red ghoul), and if he farms the pushed wave under tower you can keep harassing him or roam for a bit. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
The difference with Nunu as opposed to other tops is, you're pretty damn fine when being camped. I mean, no one does well against 3v1 dives, but between Consume, Snowball, and Chalice, you can shrug off the occasional gank or harass easier than nearly anyone else, aside from maybe Riven's mobility or WW sustain. And because of how your kit works, even if you're camped and behind farm, you still bring a lot to the late game with Snowball and BB. Meanwhile, while you're getting camped, your jungle/mid are free to take objectives or crush bot/mid lane. There are very few other tops that can boast both lane dominance and gold-independence in the way Nunu can. | ||
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Bflomatiq
France40 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:55 Requizen wrote: People tend to camp the lanes that are getting crapped on the hardest. If you're doing your job right as Nunu, the enemy jungler should be spending quite a bit of time top, and perhaps even the mid. If your jungler/mid is paying attention, they should come top to help, or get a free turret or Dragon out of the deal. The difference with Nunu as opposed to other tops is, you're pretty damn fine when being camped. I mean, no one does well against 3v1 dives, but between Consume, Snowball, and Chalice, you can shrug off the occasional gank or harass easier than nearly anyone else, aside from maybe Riven's mobility or WW sustain. And because of how your kit works, even if you're camped and behind farm, you still bring a lot to the late game with Snowball and BB. Meanwhile, while you're getting camped, your jungle/mid are free to take objectives or crush bot/mid lane. There are very few other tops that can boast both lane dominance and gold-independence in the way Nunu can. Nunu gets ganked Double kill That's the power of the empire | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:40 101toss wrote: Nunu gets ganked Double kill That's the power of the empire Oh dude, it's the best. Bait out CCs, eat a creep, channel ult. Snowball and kill everything. Sion lane was fun, I'd eat his stun, Shy has no CC, ult both and double kill. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
his ult cooldown is on a low enough cooldown and shield is strong enough base that he can block every snowball and heal up the ones he does and then in the end it's AD sion v AP nunu, so both champs are of only relative strength anyways. so that's okay i guess i'm feeling a slight rework of nunu to keep his "stronger" feel but relegate him from "overpowered" status. i think they will turn snowball into a nuke-only skill and move the -AS/-MS to bloodboil. bloodboil will then work like infuse, where it can give +stats to an ally or -stats to an enemy. i think this will retain his strength but take away some of his ridiculous unchaseability | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I didn't really feel that bad vs Sion. Then again, I never straight engaged unless Ignite was up for his Ult, so I always won trades. Shield is 12-18 seconds base (depending on how long you hold it vs exploding it) against 6 second base snowball, and you build CDR unlike him. Plus, the shield isn't too big as AD, so popping it isn't a big deal. I just spammed E at him and ate when he stun-shield-auto combo'd me. If he tries to force you to fight, ignite him after his ult and start ulting, he can't do anything about it. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
Is this comparatively worse? It gives me a decent excuse to run hybrid reds | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:48 bmn wrote: Against Yorick I start Q and max Q first, that's the only way I've found that lets me reliably deal with his red ghouls without being pushed back. (Also, our jungler will love you if you help him get blue with Q.) Starting E instead of Q gets me too low on health and allows Yorick to zone me early on. (He can then deny cs while pushing the lane, and you'll miss cs if you have a large wave under tower, and he can still harrass you there.) It's usually a stalemate until my first back -- if done right, Yorick should run out of mana a bit before you, giving you a cs advantage. Once I get challice (I skip gp10 here) I can start pushing Yorick back, once I get my first CDR item I can bully him, and once I get Athene's there's nothing Yorick can do in lane anymore. That's my experience anyway. I also like using my ult rather often in this matchup. Yorick can't interrupt it, so any time when he's in melee range and there's creeps around I'll usually ult; if he doesn't flash he'll lose too much health to trade with you (he can't rely on red ghoul), and if he farms the pushed wave under tower you can keep harassing him or roam for a bit. Yeah, I always start Q but max E first, but this game we invaded (which means I had to go E first) nabbing FB for myself and an assist from another kill. I thought I would shit on Yorick. Welp... Didn't realize I needed to max Q until level 6, which is was a bit late by then. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 08 2012 14:15 Mogwai wrote: i just run hybrid reds anyway for punching people in the face. sheen delays your core even more in 2 ways (costs more and doesn't generate income), so I don't think it's a good idea. Maybe sheen IS core on nunu, perhaps like jungle cow Something just feels good when you iceball->sheen punch for even better trading, and none of the stats are wasted. Maybe it's a win moar item :s Of course I'll have to do more playtesting, but for now it doesn't seem completely retarded | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On August 08 2012 14:44 101toss wrote: Maybe sheen IS core on nunu, perhaps like jungle cow Something just feels good when you iceball->sheen punch for even better trading, and none of the stats are wasted. Maybe it's a win moar item :s Of course I'll have to do more playtesting, but for now it doesn't seem completely retarded What would you even remove from the current core, though? | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
Nunu wrecks Diana in lane. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 08 2012 15:01 VashTS wrote: What would you even remove from the current core, though? I axed lucky pick (not really core though). You still get Grail and FH if no one else is. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 08 2012 15:04 VashTS wrote: Separate post for this: Nunu wrecks Diana in lane. Not surprised. Diana can't jump back out after going in, so she can't end a trade after tossing a bit of burst on Nunu. Nunu can extend the trades long enough to pop the shield, and Diana's shield is very mana hungry and not short enough CD (10 seconds CD counted from after the balls explode and refresh the shield or expire) Meanwhile the slows (both types) mean that diana will have a hard time getting much out of her passive. | ||
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