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I played against a Darius today that seemed to really understand this matchup, and it made the lane really, really hard.
He walked past my ranged minions so that none of his minions were in the area, then pulled me and started to trade. His EWQ cancelled out the movespeed from my BB, so he got another auto in despite the bloodboil. I ran back to the creep wave, but then he came and just started attacking me and Q'd again in the creepwave before I had to just back because I would have died to another trade. He then pushed the lane hard into my tower and I hit 6 second, just barely escaping when he misjudged his ult damage (lol) and getting first blood when he tried to dive.
Except he came back to lane again and did the same thing, and still outtraded me despite my 400 gold advantage, and I lost the lane. After he got Merc Treads and I was forced to go Tabi, it also got even harder because his W slow was even outstripping snowball.
I used to think that this was a hard counter, but if you don't get early jungle help (say if your blue side, no level 2 gank) it becomes a really hard matchup to do well in.
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On August 07 2012 00:35 upperbound wrote:
I played against a Darius today that seemed to really understand this matchup, and it made the lane really, really hard.
He walked past my ranged minions so that none of his minions were in the area, then pulled me and started to trade. His EWQ cancelled out the movespeed from my BB, so he got another auto in despite the bloodboil. I ran back to the creep wave, but then he came and just started attacking me and Q'd again in the creepwave before I had to just back because I would have died to another trade. He then pushed the lane hard into my tower and I hit 6 second, just barely escaping when he misjudged his ult damage (lol) and getting first blood when he tried to dive.
Except he came back to lane again and did the same thing, and still outtraded me despite my 400 gold advantage, and I lost the lane. After he got Merc Treads and I was forced to go Tabi, it also got even harder because his W slow was even outstripping snowball.
I used to think that this was a hard counter, but if you don't get early jungle help (say if your blue side, no level 2 gank) it becomes a really hard matchup to do well in.
yea, this is one of my new dring matchups. Tabi + 2 drings asap, then chalice -> glacial.
I also am doing drings vs. vlad and renek, been thinking of using them vs. riven rumble too. I feel bad making nunu popular because it's drawing the really obnoxious top laners back out of the woodwork  . At least he crushes Yorick though.
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Vs vlad and rumble, y not spirit visage?
Vs renek/riven you could go dodge boots->lantern, although if you know it's riven top you could just switch to support nunu
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So i've been spamming nunu games today, and i'm really surprised by how easy it is to 2/3 man baron with just like glacial and chalice. even easiier if your jungler makes good use of BB. See enemy jungle bot? call your jungler and mid to baron np np.
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Why would you build a lantern? I'd think that if you want the combination of damage + armor, glacial would be both cheaper and better, and fit your overall build far better, too. I doubt that prolonged trades vs renek/riven are a particularly good idea.
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On August 07 2012 01:14 Simberto wrote:
Why would you build a lantern? I'd think that if you want the combination of damage + armor, glacial would be both cheaper and better, and fit your overall build far better, too. I doubt that prolonged trades vs renek/riven are a particularly good idea.
Punching creeps for health, cost-effective armor and ward, and better counterjungling
Fast glacial is cool too I guess
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On August 07 2012 01:00 101toss wrote:
Vs vlad and rumble, y not spirit visage?
Vs renek/riven you could go dodge boots->lantern, although if you know it's riven top you could just switch to support nunu
because spirit visage is for treading water, you're still not going to be hurting those guys spending 1500 on no AP. rushing grail after double dring is better for making them respect you in lane.
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I'm glad that I'm not the only one who found Darius a hard lane, makes me feel a little less incompetent. :-)
Does anyone mind summarizing other lanes that are relatively bad for Nunu?
Besides Darius, I know that Riven isn't fun, I'd guess Renek isn't either. I suspect Xin might be a bad, but I wan't eager to try it when I had a chance to.
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Xin was easy enough when I played it.
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I told you bout that darius bro,i told you.
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it's just another one of those matchups that goes really hard one way or the other. it's totally winnable, but a gank one way or the other tends to send the lane spiraling out of control.
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could very likely be i'm just playing bad darius's, but whenever I did that matchup I'd just chug mana pots like candy and chuck snowballs at him every time they're off cd. If he tries to zone me from creeps I just snowball and run. He's got no sustain so after a while you're goin to wear him down. If I'm purple side, I'll just go to jungle and eat the golems for sustain if I'm getting zoned from creep too hard.
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I wish wolves weren't so far from the lane when I'm playing blue side nunu. Easier to go eat an enemy golem, but that's so scary - not even feasible if they warded tri unless jungler like, shows up bot lane.
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On August 07 2012 02:28 sylverfyre wrote:
I wish wolves weren't so far from the lane when I'm playing blue side nunu. Easier to go eat an enemy golem, but that's so scary - not even feasible if they warded tri unless jungler like, shows up bot lane.
If they ward tri and converge on you, you can empire them from a jungle bush
You can also grab a bite from baron and run
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How would Swain fare against Nunu top? Just from an overlook of it, Swain actually seems like he could compete with Nunu from lvl 1 onward.
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On August 07 2012 04:06 Cloud9157 wrote:
How would Swain fare against Nunu top? Just from an overlook of it, Swain actually seems like he could compete with Nunu from lvl 1 onward.
Nunu crushes him 6 ways from sunday pre-6. Post 6 it's a bit of a tossup but I find Nunu will outsustain and wear Swain down eventually but hot damn that bird heals a lot with his ult.
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Oh, btw, this past weekend I had two games in which I had teammates go "nunu top is so bad" or something to that effect. This was at ~1950. I think your secret is safe for now.
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Ehh, it trickled down to my shit elo though. I see topnu sometimes.
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I've had randoms say "You using that Reddit guide?" when I've played Nunu top. :>
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On August 07 2012 05:07 zer0das wrote:
I've had randoms say "You using that Reddit guide?" when I've played Nunu top. :>
Lol this happened to me too, the quote was a little better (worse?) though.
"don't think you're good because you go on reddit and found that gay guide. u'll lose all ur elo once the nerf comes"
I think the olaf I was laning against was a little mad after his 3rd death :3
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