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On July 28 2012 14:07 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 13:14 UniversalSnip wrote:
Like everyone this thread is making me extremely curious. I laned the new build first time last night, vs darius. I felt I played the matchup pretty poorly, a number of mistakes I made:
- Tried to trade with autos... I'm now convinced this is wrong, I should have leaned on iceball 100%.
- Built a pick.
- Revolver way late. This should have been a priority.
Ultimately he died to ganks but still ended up ahead on CS because his lane presence was just so dominant. The fact I wasn't crushing even though he was getting camped pretty much meant our other lanes got screwed for nothing. I'm not sure I like the idea of nunu in matchups where just trading an auto is really dangerous. I'm inclined to think I would have come out ahead if I'd known how to play the matchup but it seems like you really need to obliterate your lane with snowball cheese for this to be worth it. Trading with autoattacks is fine, trading while he has 5 stacks on you is NOT fine. I think you should forego Kage's and focusing on getting Revolver + Glacial Shroud first. GP10 is useless if you can barely stand in your lane... this is especially true for Nunu who is a snowballry laner - his sustain requires him to be near enemy minions; if he gets zoned, he gets zoned HARD. Since you do so little damage yourself, if you are behind, it's difficult to come back (you + jungler typically will have a hard time killing the opposing laner if he is already ahead).
Also abuse the fact that grab is like 20 second CD, while snowball is... not. You don't have to trade autos, but you might as well (even 1 point in blood boil, plus the MASSIVE AS slow you're giving them, means that you should be ok with giving them 2 autos, taking like 1, and backing off before your slow wears off)
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Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________-
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On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________-
Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce.
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I think the most satisfying part of nunu is not being a dick in top lane. Nor is it the satisfaction of knowing that you're the most immovable prick in the world. It's the ability to EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!! and kill the enemy laner in a single combo.
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On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce.
Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens.
With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs).
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On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs).
You having 70% winrate for Nunu is VERY DIFFERENT from the server having 65% winrate for Rumble though. I have 100% winrate for Soraka, Soraka is OP, right? Oh wait, I only played one game with Soraka...
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On July 28 2012 18:35 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs). You having 70% winrate for Nunu is VERY DIFFERENT from the server having 65% winrate for Rumble though. I have 100% winrate for Soraka, Soraka is OP, right? Oh wait, I only played one game with Soraka...
snk's been advocating nunu since before his most recent buffs. he has a lot of nunu games played
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On July 28 2012 13:21 101toss wrote:
Nunu pretty much scales off cdr and ap so you spam his shit on everything
This is why 21 utility, FH, and Grail are used
Nunu isn't fotm, so it's a good time to farm elo. Btw, has anyone tested wits on nunu?
Yes, as i hypothesized, it felt pretty dern good post Mercs + Grail + Shroud + Revolver (pre FH + WotA/Gunblade) vs. heavy magic damage teams.
On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs).
The buffs were pretty much just QoL, but that does count for a lot IMHO. The clunkier parts of Nunu were smoothed out nicely with this patch and it does feel a lot better than before. Might not be a huge deal in the jungle, but in lane he's definitely noticeably better (though I can't tell exactly how much of it was figuring out grail vs. the buffs since both were integral parts of my nunu game leveling up).
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Hm, just lost against a Teemo. Well, "lost". I went 1-5-2 and he only died twice, but I was camped all game long by an Eve that came something like 8-9 times in 20 minutes, but I would have probably crushed him without that (fail on my part when I didn't rush mercs to catch up since his Q range > Iceball, and he wasn't that good at last hitting, but it's comforting to know that Nunu can do well against teh midget).
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On July 28 2012 11:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think Nunu's going to get nerfed because he exhibits all the telltale signs of laning Riot hates. Extreme sustain and practically free harass. Every time there's a champion like that, Riot whacks it with the nerf bat. Nunu's level of sustain and harass is on par or surpasses pre-nerf Udyr.
Pretty much this.
It doesn't even matter how good the champion is. If the kit is skewed in a way that Riot doesn't like the gameplay it creates, they'll nerf the hero. This is somewhat sensible, and somewhat silly at the same time. On the one hand, nerfing the hero makes it so people are less likely to play him, and therefore the problems with him creating "unfun" gameplay are avoided by virtue of them not getting played. On the other hand, because nobody's playing the hero, it's hard to get a good grasp on how to FIX the hero with no data to work with.
Though I think Riot's figured out the way to get around this by giving cursory QoL buffs to get people to play those heroes that they want more gameplay data on.
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On July 29 2012 03:57 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 11:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think Nunu's going to get nerfed because he exhibits all the telltale signs of laning Riot hates. Extreme sustain and practically free harass. Every time there's a champion like that, Riot whacks it with the nerf bat. Nunu's level of sustain and harass is on par or surpasses pre-nerf Udyr. Pretty much this. It doesn't even matter how good the champion is. If the kit is skewed in a way that Riot doesn't like the gameplay it creates, they'll nerf the hero. This is somewhat sensible, and somewhat silly at the same time. On the one hand, nerfing the hero makes it so people are less likely to play him, and therefore the problems with him creating "unfun" gameplay are avoided by virtue of them not getting played. On the other hand, because nobody's playing the hero, it's hard to get a good grasp on how to FIX the hero with no data to work with. Though I think Riot's figured out the way to get around this by giving cursory QoL buffs to get people to play those heroes that they want more gameplay data on.
Right.
Right now Nunu is brain-dead laning. The only thing you need to know how to do is to last hit. You don't really care about anything your lane opponent does or anything, just last hit, zone, and infinite sustain/harass through his passive.
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edit: Nvm, no point in arguing when there's no actual substance to the debate.
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just wanted to say thanks to Mogwai haha. After his Wukong build got me a couple of pentas and many easy wins now his nunu build turns out to be hilariously broken op and I'm soloing barons at 19 minutes.
<3
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How do you lane Nunu v. Rumble?
I've done that matchup twice and both times I lost it. First time it was misplay on my part that led to snowballing, but the second time... :[ I found that I can easily beat rumble in trades levels 1-4. But once he hits 5+ I have a hard time. If I go up to last hit he combos me. I can heal it up np with Consume while iceballing him away, but it essentially means I can only go last hit when my consume is off cd.
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On July 29 2012 14:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
How do you lane Nunu v. Rumble?
I've done that matchup twice and both times I lost it. First time it was misplay on my part that led to snowballing, but the second time... :[ I found that I can easily beat rumble in trades levels 1-4. But once he hits 5+ I have a hard time. If I go up to last hit he combos me. I can heal it up np with Consume while iceballing him away, but it essentially means I can only go last hit when my consume is off cd.
Admittedly I haven't played the matchup. But early chalice into revolver, I foresee 0 problems against rumble. You can't last hit? Because of flame spitter, right? Flame spitter pushes hard, and nunu is excellent at tanking creeps in order to freeze. It's like, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, rumble denying u last hits should put him severely at risk to jungle ganks, which nunu has execellent support for. An offensive flash on nunu should always yield a kill against a pushed opponent.
Other than that, if he hits free harpoons, then yeah, it's annoying and sucks. But I feel like there are definite counter play options, and if rumble misses harpoon, then nunu ditactes disengagement with e and w.
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On July 29 2012 15:34 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 14:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
How do you lane Nunu v. Rumble?
I've done that matchup twice and both times I lost it. First time it was misplay on my part that led to snowballing, but the second time... :[ I found that I can easily beat rumble in trades levels 1-4. But once he hits 5+ I have a hard time. If I go up to last hit he combos me. I can heal it up np with Consume while iceballing him away, but it essentially means I can only go last hit when my consume is off cd. Admittedly I haven't played the matchup. But early chalice into revolver, I foresee 0 problems against rumble. You can't last hit? Because of flame spitter, right? Flame spitter pushes hard, and nunu is excellent at tanking creeps in order to freeze. It's like, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, rumble denying u last hits should put him severely at risk to jungle ganks, which nunu has execellent support for. An offensive flash on nunu should always yield a kill against a pushed opponent. Other than that, if he hits free harpoons, then yeah, it's annoying and sucks. But I feel like there are definite counter play options, and if rumble misses harpoon, then nunu ditactes disengagement with e and w.
That's how I did it, but I got chalice after philo. I think it was philo first trip back and then pick/chalice. I went straight for grail and mercs after and just froze the lane. I also got a second lvl Q at lvl 5. If rumble pushes the lane. You can just freeze it. Get your jungle to gank, because he'll have a hard time getting away from snowball.
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Ya, philo into grail, pick probably not too useful. Early mercs sounds nice to dodge his harpoon and flame, and mr will mean you should out sustain him hard. Maybe then like, pick revolver shroud. Abyssal aegis could be possibilities as smash suggested in his standard build, but I'd be wary of fucking with grail revolver shroud, seems like smash put a bunch of thought into it. Depends on how cdr / extra sustain affects the matchup, iunno without playing it.
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Does Smash have any vods of him playing Nunu top? Maybe i am just blind, but i could not find any... Wanting to jump on the Nunu train while i can. 
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Don't worry about rumble, he'll be dead after this patch
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