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On July 27 2012 16:18 taLbuk wrote:
the build is really weak actually me and my friend tested it alot and the nunu top has problems vs champions that go top because sometimes if there is no jungle on other team you cant hold them off 1v2
The vast majority of champions are balanced around 1v1 top. 2v1 top is a completely different story from 1v1. 2v1, most people can reasonably expect to farm under tower at best.
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On July 27 2012 16:18 taLbuk wrote:
the build is really weak actually me and my friend tested it alot and the nunu top has problems vs champions that go top because sometimes if there is no jungle on other team you cant hold them off 1v2
Not only is it not relevant to talk about playing the game with no jungler on a team, nunu is probably the best champion to 2v1 because he has a huge heal that also gives him a cs. Next we'll see posts about how x champion isn't good because tri lane beats them.
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On July 27 2012 16:18 taLbuk wrote:
the build is really weak actually me and my friend tested it alot and the nunu top has problems vs champions that go top because sometimes if there is no jungle on other team you cant hold them off 1v2
two top is rather uncommen, even in normal games... and if so your jungler has to gank top more often which is always succesful because you have a higher level
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On July 27 2012 16:18 taLbuk wrote:
the build is really weak actually me and my friend tested it alot and the nunu top has problems vs champions that go top because sometimes if there is no jungle on other team you cant hold them off 1v2
Its not meant for 1v2'ing. Its assuming standard play, 1v1 top with jungles. Either way, not a lot of champions can do 1v2 with success.
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On July 27 2012 16:15 Cloud9157 wrote:
Is Nunu in the same category as the terror tops like Malphite and Olaf? The two of them lose to pretty much no melee champs, and mages are the ones that destroy them the most. Just don't see how Nunu would do that well vs Kennen.
Kennen's DPS is too low to kill Nunu.
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On July 27 2012 16:18 taLbuk wrote:
the build is really weak actually me and my friend tested it alot and the nunu top has problems vs champions that go top because sometimes if there is no jungle on other team you cant hold them off 1v2
We're talking beyond lvl 15 here -.-
Nunu solo is such a douche move man  . That shit is so annoying to deal with, zzz.
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Is Nunu still a valid choice against warwick? I got destroyed some weeks ago by Nunu and thought i'd counter the ww firstpick next time. Didn'tgo so well though. At the first levels, i was able to bully him a bit, but after lvl 6 his sustain beat my harass. Still don't understand how this worked. At first, i only wanted to harass when my passive stacks were up, so i probably didn't trade enough, then i was oom any time i was longer as a minute in lane. Guess your build counters that by building enough mana /manareg to just spam and whittle anyone down.
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chalice is so strong -.- such an under-appreciated item
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On July 27 2012 17:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Is Nunu still a valid choice against warwick? I got destroyed some weeks ago by Nunu and thought i'd counter the ww firstpick next time. Didn'tgo so well though. At the first levels, i was able to bully him a bit, but after lvl 6 his sustain beat my harass. Still don't understand how this worked. At first, i only wanted to harass when my passive stacks were up, so i probably didn't trade enough, then i was oom any time i was longer as a minute in lane. Guess your build counters that by building enough mana /manareg to just spam and whittle anyone down. dont do long trades with ww, no one can win long trades against ww. mostly its about harassment with snowball. but both are heavy sustain laners so its hard to push either one out of lane
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On July 27 2012 16:15 Cloud9157 wrote:
Is Nunu in the same category as the terror tops like Malphite and Olaf? The two of them lose to pretty much no melee champs, and mages are the ones that destroy them the most. Just don't see how Nunu would do that well vs Kennen.
Nunu's the single strongest answer I've found to Kennen, Kayle and Teemo. All of them harass with chip damage and nunu simply wins all trades with E -> Q -> peace out, thereby controlling the exchanges and severly outsustaining them.
On July 27 2012 17:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Is Nunu still a valid choice against warwick? I got destroyed some weeks ago by Nunu and thought i'd counter the ww firstpick next time. Didn'tgo so well though. At the first levels, i was able to bully him a bit, but after lvl 6 his sustain beat my harass. Still don't understand how this worked. At first, i only wanted to harass when my passive stacks were up, so i probably didn't trade enough, then i was oom any time i was longer as a minute in lane. Guess your build counters that by building enough mana /manareg to just spam and whittle anyone down.
If WW doesn't get Chalice you can win the lane. If he does, it's a wash and whoever gets ganks wins the lane, but not by a ton. Pretty stupid matchup.
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On July 27 2012 23:48 brolaf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 17:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Is Nunu still a valid choice against warwick? I got destroyed some weeks ago by Nunu and thought i'd counter the ww firstpick next time. Didn'tgo so well though. At the first levels, i was able to bully him a bit, but after lvl 6 his sustain beat my harass. Still don't understand how this worked. At first, i only wanted to harass when my passive stacks were up, so i probably didn't trade enough, then i was oom any time i was longer as a minute in lane. Guess your build counters that by building enough mana /manareg to just spam and whittle anyone down. dont do long trades with ww, no one can win long trades against ww. mostly its about harassment with snowball. but both are heavy sustain laners so its hard to push either one out of lane
Warwick's sustain also is just as mana intensive as your harass. If you get that chalice and he doesn't, you'll win the battle of mana regen pretty convincingly. If you both get chalice, it's significantly more useful for you later in the game than it is for him. Lane might turn into farmfest this way, try not to let him initiate for a jungle gank with his ulti, though.
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Nunu is much more valuable on lower amounts of farm too, so if you make it a stupid farmfest without kills on either side, that's typically a win for your team, but the laning phase is REALLY boring.
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On July 28 2012 00:11 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 16:15 Cloud9157 wrote:
Is Nunu in the same category as the terror tops like Malphite and Olaf? The two of them lose to pretty much no melee champs, and mages are the ones that destroy them the most. Just don't see how Nunu would do that well vs Kennen.
Nunu's the single strongest answer I've found to Kennen, Kayle and Teemo. All of them harass with chip damage and nunu simply wins all trades with E -> Q -> peace out, thereby controlling the exchanges and severly outsustaining them.
Yeah, I've been very surprised to find that Nunu does really well against Kennen, to the point where I'd actually look forward to face Kennen (which I can't say of many other heroes). Kennen's q is blocked by minions and a skillshot, your e has neither of those limitations. If he misses a q or tries to AA you, chunk him with e and he'll have to back off -- he can't trade AAs with you because you'll just heal your damage back whenever you want.
I've had trouble dealing with GP yesterday -- he opened wriggles and boots of lucidity, and he rarely seemed to AA, focusing on being a jerk with his parley instead. I narrowly lost the first exchange (I was OOM before him) and he managed to zone me for a bit; he later won fights by saving his ult until I was committed to a 1v1. Parley + oranges seemed to beat my e+q in sustained trades in terms of mana efficiency (and cooldowns).
Would you go glacial before Athene's in situations like these? I'm not sure how the CDR+mana reg compare to armor+flat mana, but I'd intuitively think that the armor matters more here.
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so where is this smash build that I keep reading about?
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On July 28 2012 01:44 nosliw wrote:
so where is this smash build that I keep reading about?
It's on page 10 of this thread.
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On July 28 2012 02:24 nosliw wrote:
R>E>Q>W?
sorta. level Q as you need it. If you get behind from ganks, just power level Q to assure your farm and wait until grail to try to exert lane dominance. But yea, general plan is a point in W around level 4 or 8 and then E > Q > W.
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this is a good build and nunu is a good top
but i wouldn't be worried about him getting nerfed any time soon
nunu has 7 stat-abilities that don't scale at all with farm - the damage on his Q (not technically true, but it does no damage to other champs so i'm counting it), the attack speed buff on his W, the movespeed buff on his W, the attack speed slow on his E, the movespeed slow on his E, and the stats debuff on his ult (same as his E).
so essentially by getting farm, you improve: the heal on your Q, the damage on your E, and the damage on your ult
when you compare all the things that nunu does without farm (the first list) compared to what he does WITH farm (the second list), i think it's pretty logical to see that he won't become a fotm/competitive top laner. unless his laning is so incredibly dominant that he completely shuts out other laners, the benefit just simply isn't enough for a real team to put him top.
so while this is going to be a great solo queue build and you should abuse it while you can, i don't see riot nerfing what is essentially a glorified support hero, when his bot lane placement is a lot more limited than other popular supports
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On July 28 2012 04:04 gtrsrs wrote:
this is a good build and nunu is a good top
but i wouldn't be worried about him getting nerfed any time soon
nunu has 7 stat-abilities that don't scale at all with farm - the damage on his Q (not technically true, but it does no damage to other champs so i'm counting it), the attack speed buff on his W, the movespeed buff on his W, the attack speed slow on his E, the movespeed slow on his E, and the stats debuff on his ult (same as his E).
so essentially by getting farm, you improve: the heal on your Q, the damage on your E, and the damage on your ult
when you compare all the things that nunu does without farm (the first list) compared to what he does WITH farm (the second list), i think it's pretty logical to see that he won't become a fotm/competitive top laner. unless his laning is so incredibly dominant that he completely shuts out other laners, the benefit just simply isn't enough for a real team to put him top.
so while this is going to be a great solo queue build and you should abuse it while you can, i don't see riot nerfing what is essentially a glorified support hero, when his bot lane placement is a lot more limited than other popular supports
It would be a pretty crusher top lane to put in a Protect-the-koggles comp though.
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I cant find his exact build, just grail and frozen heart am i blind
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