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On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs).
Consume
Damage increased to 500/600/700/800/900 from 400/525/650/775/900
Damage dealt to Dragon and Baron increased to 100% from 50%
Cooldown reduced to 16/14/12/10/8 seconds from 18/16/14/12/10 seconds
Also, consume + Spell Vamp is pretty sick too.
Range doesn't completely fuck with nunu, unless you also have sustain to compete with his.
Sivir might be an exception because she can allin nunu when her spell shield is up but most range will get snowballed once and never get another auto attack off. Nunu hard counters Kayle and does really well against kennen. How is ranged OP against her, exactly? You snowball them, last hit that minion you were wanting to last hit, run into bush. They can't respond very well with autos, they have no AS left. You'll take damage early but not a lot. Besides, it's more than possible to put up with being at a disadvantage when it's only til level 2 or 3, and let whoever push you towards your turret.
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On July 30 2012 03:15 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs). Consume Damage increased to 500/600/700/800/900 from 400/525/650/775/900 Damage dealt to Dragon and Baron increased to 100% from 50% Cooldown reduced to 16/14/12/10/8 seconds from 18/16/14/12/10 secondsAlso, consume + Spell Vamp is pretty sick too. Range doesn't completely fuck with nunu, unless you also have sustain to compete with his. Sivir might be an exception because she can allin nunu when her spell shield is up but most range will get snowballed once and never get another auto attack off. Nunu hard counters Kayle and does really well against kennen. How is ranged OP against her, exactly? You snowball them, last hit that minion you were wanting to last hit, run into bush. They can't respond very well with autos, they have no AS left. You'll take damage early but not a lot. Besides, it's more than possible to put up with being at a disadvantage when it's only til level 2 or 3, and let whoever push you towards your turret.
The problem is that Nunu's E has 6 seconds CD and Sivir's E is 20 seconds.
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On July 30 2012 03:36 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 03:15 sylverfyre wrote:On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs). Consume Damage increased to 500/600/700/800/900 from 400/525/650/775/900 Damage dealt to Dragon and Baron increased to 100% from 50% Cooldown reduced to 16/14/12/10/8 seconds from 18/16/14/12/10 secondsAlso, consume + Spell Vamp is pretty sick too. Range doesn't completely fuck with nunu, unless you also have sustain to compete with his. Sivir might be an exception because she can allin nunu when her spell shield is up but most range will get snowballed once and never get another auto attack off. Nunu hard counters Kayle and does really well against kennen. How is ranged OP against her, exactly? You snowball them, last hit that minion you were wanting to last hit, run into bush. They can't respond very well with autos, they have no AS left. You'll take damage early but not a lot. Besides, it's more than possible to put up with being at a disadvantage when it's only til level 2 or 3, and let whoever push you towards your turret. The problem is that Nunu's E has 6 seconds CD and Sivir's E is 20 seconds.
Down to 10 when leveled. Auto-attack reset on W provides a bit of resistant to AS debuff as well.
Pure theory-craft but I feel a Bloodthirster Sivir with E/W max would do well against Nunu.
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On July 30 2012 04:18 Alzadar wrote:
Auto-attack reset on W provides a bit of resistant to AS debuff as well.
How do autoattack resets have any influence on the effectiveness of AS slows?
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On July 30 2012 04:18 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 03:36 Sufficiency wrote:On July 30 2012 03:15 sylverfyre wrote:On July 28 2012 18:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On July 28 2012 17:45 Sufficiency wrote:On July 28 2012 16:49 Kouda wrote:
Jesus christ. Nunu with WotA is broken. -_____________- Yep. What was Riot thinking? He is going to get reverted to Pre-Jayce. Nunu's buffs were q does more damage, his ult now doesn't have completely retarded time/damage scaling, and his passive isn't almost 2 years old anymore. Nunu was barely buffed. Barely. He doesn't do more damage, he doesn't heal more. He gets more free spells, and his ult does more damage when cancelled. Nunu was always as strong in lane as he was previously. Salce would ap nunu mid month ago. Ranged completely fucks with nunu at level one, you can push him out of the lane, or force him to eat creeps and push. Go like sivir top against nunu, see what happens. With jungle nunu I have an almost 70% win rate, and people are saying rumble is OP with a 65% win rate, so you should consider that (but I had an almost 70% win rate before the nunu buffs). Consume Damage increased to 500/600/700/800/900 from 400/525/650/775/900 Damage dealt to Dragon and Baron increased to 100% from 50% Cooldown reduced to 16/14/12/10/8 seconds from 18/16/14/12/10 secondsAlso, consume + Spell Vamp is pretty sick too. Range doesn't completely fuck with nunu, unless you also have sustain to compete with his. Sivir might be an exception because she can allin nunu when her spell shield is up but most range will get snowballed once and never get another auto attack off. Nunu hard counters Kayle and does really well against kennen. How is ranged OP against her, exactly? You snowball them, last hit that minion you were wanting to last hit, run into bush. They can't respond very well with autos, they have no AS left. You'll take damage early but not a lot. Besides, it's more than possible to put up with being at a disadvantage when it's only til level 2 or 3, and let whoever push you towards your turret. The problem is that Nunu's E has 6 seconds CD and Sivir's E is 20 seconds. Down to 10 when leveled. Auto-attack reset on W provides a bit of resistant to AS debuff as well. Pure theory-craft but I feel a Bloodthirster Sivir with E/W max would do well against Nunu.
My point was more that sivir can chase so hard, and ~9 seconds without being able to put a slow on her might be too much for nunu to stop from dying to an allin from someone who has significantly more damage than him, and better early chasing power.
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On July 30 2012 04:28 armed_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:18 Alzadar wrote:
Auto-attack reset on W provides a bit of resistant to AS debuff as well. How do autoattack resets have any influence on the effectiveness of AS slows?
From what I understand of attack speed mechanics, having an auto-attack reset allows you to get off two auto-attacks in a constant amount of time, independent of your attack speed.
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I highly doubt sivir would do much to nunu. Glacial shroud early would wreck her shit. And have you tried all inning nunu? It's doesn't work. Q is a huge heal and e and w mean nunu can just walk away if he doesn't like how the fight is going.
Level 1 sivir e is a long ass cool down, it gets shorter when level led, but if she levels e she either goes without levels in q or w, not scary at all. Glacial means you get lIke 4 second e's and a tonne of armor to fuck her damage. Not to mention a sivir will push the lane, and will have to blow ult or flash to escape jungle ganks.
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On July 30 2012 04:40 Alzadar wrote:
From what I understand of attack speed mechanics, having an auto-attack reset allows you to get off two auto-attacks in a constant amount of time, independent of your attack speed.
I don't get it. You still need to perform the attack animation up until the cast point, and the amount of time that takes is scaled by your attack speed exactly the same way your attack cooldown is.
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Judging from ECC Poland and TSM Invitational: NUNU FOTM
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On July 30 2012 05:31 AsnSensation wrote:
Judging from ECC Poland and TSM Invitational: NUNU FOTM
Didn't see that many games. But they were all Support/Jungle, right?
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On July 30 2012 06:42 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 05:31 AsnSensation wrote:
Judging from ECC Poland and TSM Invitational: NUNU FOTM Didn't see that many games. But they were all Support/Jungle, right?
Oddones been playing Jungle Nunu for a while now, and support nunus really good with vayne/kog(and has been for a long time)
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Yea, that's what I mean 
Edit: i.e no one except TL has discovered gayness of top Nunu yet.
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Honestly I think support/jungle Nunu is fine. It's solo-lane Nunu that is broken right now.
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Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine)
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On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine)
revert the buffs?
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On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine)
Well, Riot's standard process goes like this:
1. Is it a support champ?
2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role?
3. If yes, nerf.
Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of.
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On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of.
The thing about Nunu is that he was not designed to be a support champion. He was more like bruiser turned into support due to power creep.
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how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup?
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On July 31 2012 08:15 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup?
I just pick Nunu and tell people that I am going top. No one has ever questioned me before.
Neither did anyone question me playing Evelynn mid nor Caitlyn mid. I guess in my normal Elo range no one cares xD
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