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On July 31 2012 08:15 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup?
What? Nunu fucking smashes yorick. I dc'd and came to lane lvl 2 against lvl 6 yorick, and he couldn't kill me. Multiple people saying nunu destroys yorick.
On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of.
First there are good top lanes against nunu, and good mids. People just aren't playing them. Second you can't nerf lane nunu, unless you make him worse than he was before. You can't nerf his lane sustain without hitting his jungling. You can't hit his poke without destroying his late game.
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Warwick does quite fine vs nunu top. Only catch is you MUST respond to his chalice with a chalice of your own. Then you both sustain the fuck out of each other until a gank comes, you press R and nunu dies.
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On July 31 2012 08:15 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup?
Same deal as Sufficiency for me in ranked (1500-1600, currently 1614 elo). I ask for top lane and pick Nunu if they're okay with me going top. A few people have probably looked at the pick funny and I've gotten questions like "lol nunu?" but no one's dodged or anything.
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Nunu top may be becoming a thing... I just q'd up and asked for top, but FP chose nunu and went top... It sucks, cause I wanted to nunu top...
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I had only one guy freak out about me going Nunu top but halfway through the game when I smashed an Irelia 4-0 he was just too confused to even complain. Nunu es best.
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Did they get recorded? I don't see them.. =(
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Just watched Nunu on Smash's stream, shit looks stupid broken lol
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voyboy playing it right now on stream ;_;
it's really catching on
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On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of.
I'm not sure it's so much that they have a problem with supports playing another role as it was supports being just plain OP. Supports are designed to function with 0 farm, but when Riot made all the old supports they also made their kits super strong with farm. Hence why you had Taric/Soraka with crazy AP ratios on everything. Lulu was also just broken for solo laning since her ratios were quite high and her poke esp against melee was insane.
If Nunu gets nerfed I expect it to be due to his ridiculous sustain and basically free poke.
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On July 31 2012 10:33 emperorchampion wrote:
Just watched Nunu on Smash's stream, shit looks stupid broken lol
Doesn't matter. Contrary to Yorrick, it's too fun not to be used. 
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Supports are OP.
I spectated Shurelia a lot the last a few weeks. She is not totally amazing (1500 Elo is not bad for my standard), but she likes to play Leona mid. Initially I thought this is ridiculous since Leona has terrible ratios for AP and terrible kit for bruiser; but the way she plays Leona is that she just go roam and gank other lanes until they snowball like crazy. As Leona, you don't even need damage to gank... since she has 3 CCs out of 4 abilities and her other ability is a defense steroid that does damage.
If you think about it carefully, CCs scare harder than anything else in the game. A single CC can prevent tons of damage on yourself and/or do tons of damage on an opponent. This is why supports are broken.
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On July 31 2012 11:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Supports are OP.
I spectated Shurelia a lot the last a few weeks. She is not totally amazing (1500 Elo is not bad for my standard), but she likes to play Leona mid. Initially I thought this is ridiculous since Leona has terrible ratios for AP and terrible kit for bruiser; but the way she plays Leona is that she just go roam and gank other lanes until they snowball like crazy. As Leona, you don't even need damage to gank... since she has 3 CCs out of 4 abilities and her other ability is a defense steroid that does damage.
If you think about it carefully, CCs scare harder than anything else in the game. A single CC can prevent tons of damage on yourself and/or do tons of damage on an opponent. This is why supports are broken.
I think Leona is a really great champ in general. 3 CCs are no laughing matter. I never go Vayne/ADC unless I see a Leona support on my team.
Leona can initiate with her reach-stun, then stun while I'm rushing to the target, and then I will connect it with a condemn-stun. By this time the opponent is almost dead. Leona still has her Ult to use incase the opponent flashes or something.
Such a deadly combo
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How do you guys build/mastery/rune the new Nunu?
I've found that using CDR boots, Doran rings, and other mana regen lets me completely E spam the fuck outta my lane opponent.
What about masteries and runes?
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On July 31 2012 08:30 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:15 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup? What? Nunu fucking smashes yorick. I dc'd and came to lane lvl 2 against lvl 6 yorick, and he couldn't kill me. Multiple people saying nunu destroys yorick. Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of. First there are good top lanes against nunu, and good mids. People just aren't playing them. Second you can't nerf lane nunu, unless you make him worse than he was before. You can't nerf his lane sustain without hitting his jungling. You can't hit his poke without destroying his late game.
They will be fine destroying Nunu's late game. They are fine with Taric having a terrible lategame.
On July 31 2012 10:41 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of. I'm not sure it's so much that they have a problem with supports playing another role as it was supports being just plain OP. Supports are designed to function with 0 farm, but when Riot made all the old supports they also made their kits super strong with farm. Hence why you had Taric/Soraka with crazy AP ratios on everything. Lulu was also just broken for solo laning since her ratios were quite high and her poke esp against melee was insane. If Nunu gets nerfed I expect it to be due to his ridiculous sustain and basically free poke.
Supports are not OP, particularly in lane. They just provide utility with mediocre damage. The "non-support-support" like soraka/lulu/janna lane only works because AD Carries are ridiculously OP if they have enough Peels.
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On July 31 2012 10:14 VashTS wrote:Did they get recorded? I don't see them.. =(
No but I'll stream some/record it now.
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On July 31 2012 11:36 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:30 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On July 31 2012 08:15 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup? What? Nunu fucking smashes yorick. I dc'd and came to lane lvl 2 against lvl 6 yorick, and he couldn't kill me. Multiple people saying nunu destroys yorick. On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of. First there are good top lanes against nunu, and good mids. People just aren't playing them. Second you can't nerf lane nunu, unless you make him worse than he was before. You can't nerf his lane sustain without hitting his jungling. You can't hit his poke without destroying his late game. They will be fine destroying Nunu's late game. They are fine with Taric having a terrible lategame. Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 10:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of. I'm not sure it's so much that they have a problem with supports playing another role as it was supports being just plain OP. Supports are designed to function with 0 farm, but when Riot made all the old supports they also made their kits super strong with farm. Hence why you had Taric/Soraka with crazy AP ratios on everything. Lulu was also just broken for solo laning since her ratios were quite high and her poke esp against melee was insane. If Nunu gets nerfed I expect it to be due to his ridiculous sustain and basically free poke. Supports are not OP, particularly in lane. They just provide utility with mediocre damage. The "non-support-support" like soraka/lulu/janna lane only works because AD Carries are ridiculously OP if they have enough Peels.
Your original post was saying that Riot nerfs supports who can play roles other than support. I'm saying that's not true. Supports got nerfed across the board because there was a short period of time where people realized supports were ridiculously good with farm. Solo mid Soraka was on the verge of fotm before they nerfed her ratios (she used to have 1.0 AP ratio on heal and something like 0.7 on her E) and cooldowns. Solo top Taric was gaining popularity as well (he used to have 1.0 or near 1.0 AP ratio on freaking everything). Those guys were nerfed hard because they were simply ridiculous with farm. Sona was nerfed because she was OP period. Lulu was nerfed because her ratios and damages were too high and could dominate melees.
These guys were nerfed because their kits were broken in some way or another; not because they were supports who could play other roles. If anything, Riot would prefer supports who can play other roles as they've repeatedly said they dislike (or at least didn't intend for) the AD/Support bot lane meta.
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On July 31 2012 11:45 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 11:36 cLutZ wrote:On July 31 2012 08:30 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On July 31 2012 08:15 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how to convince people to give me nunu top if i'm not first pick.....
also, is nunu vs yorick really that hard? i went against like 3 yoricks in a row, and i pretty much smashed all of them. i will say that these games were normals, as i was still trying finalize my playstyle with him. but. i feel like if you get a little bit of jungle pressure early on, then you can build a ridiculous advantage over him. just as long as you save your consume for his red ghosts. what am i missing in this matchup? What? Nunu fucking smashes yorick. I dc'd and came to lane lvl 2 against lvl 6 yorick, and he couldn't kill me. Multiple people saying nunu destroys yorick. On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of. First there are good top lanes against nunu, and good mids. People just aren't playing them. Second you can't nerf lane nunu, unless you make him worse than he was before. You can't nerf his lane sustain without hitting his jungling. You can't hit his poke without destroying his late game. They will be fine destroying Nunu's late game. They are fine with Taric having a terrible lategame. On July 31 2012 10:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:59 cLutZ wrote:On July 30 2012 10:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone with that much point-and-click ranged harass (especially since its a slow so you can't respond to it "correctly" on many champs) AND sustain hits problem mode pretty easily. GP was in this spot in the past before getting nerfed. I'm not sure the 'correct' way to hit nunu for this without making his support or jungle weaker (because they're pretty fine) Well, Riot's standard process goes like this: 1. Is it a support champ? 2. If yes, is it capable of performing in another role? 3. If yes, nerf. Whether Nunu gets changed significantly is not a real question. The question is which role they nerf him out of. I'm not sure it's so much that they have a problem with supports playing another role as it was supports being just plain OP. Supports are designed to function with 0 farm, but when Riot made all the old supports they also made their kits super strong with farm. Hence why you had Taric/Soraka with crazy AP ratios on everything. Lulu was also just broken for solo laning since her ratios were quite high and her poke esp against melee was insane. If Nunu gets nerfed I expect it to be due to his ridiculous sustain and basically free poke. Supports are not OP, particularly in lane. They just provide utility with mediocre damage. The "non-support-support" like soraka/lulu/janna lane only works because AD Carries are ridiculously OP if they have enough Peels. Your original post was saying that Riot nerfs supports who can play roles other than support. I'm saying that's not true. Supports got nerfed across the board because there was a short period of time where people realized supports were ridiculously good with farm. Solo mid Soraka was on the verge of fotm before they nerfed her ratios (she used to have 1.0 AP ratio on heal and something like 0.7 on her E) and cooldowns. Solo top Taric was gaining popularity as well (he used to have 1.0 or near 1.0 AP ratio on freaking everything). Those guys were nerfed hard because they were simply ridiculous with farm. Sona was nerfed because she was OP period. Lulu was nerfed because her ratios and damages were too high and could dominate melees. These guys were nerfed because their kits were broken in some way or another; not because they were supports who could play other roles. If anything, Riot would prefer supports who can play other roles as they've repeatedly said they dislike (or at least didn't intend for) the AD/Support bot lane meta.
"Support with farm" = Support playing another role. I don't necessarily think its bad that these chars can't carry a game or faceroll in lane, what I don't like is if you get a kill in lane, it feels like and accident and a waste.
Nunu is not OP, but a Nunu top + Janna Support = a team that is nearly impossible to engage on, or disengage from. That is why they stopped Soraka mid, not because soraka was pentakilling fools, but because you can't kill an ADC with a fed soraka healing him + another support buffing/peeling.
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Ever since Kennen was first released I've hated him with a passion. I zoned a Kennen so hard he only had 20 CS at 10 minutes. So glad that Nunu is OP right now.
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On July 31 2012 11:28 GhostOwl wrote:
How do you guys build/mastery/rune the new Nunu?
I've found that using CDR boots, Doran rings, and other mana regen lets me completely E spam the fuck outta my lane opponent.
What about masteries and runes?
Smashes build is on like page 10, but I'll post it here as well.
mpen red, armor yellows, flat mr blues, ap quints
9-0-21 or 9-21 (vs hard lanes like rumble yorick)
boots health pot 2xmana pot
Philo/pick/chalice/grail/fh/wota (Mercs or Tabi)
R>E>W>Q lvl q if you have too early against hard lanes.
I have dominated my elo so far with this and only 1 game have I not been told nunu sucks top, so useless late game, or some other none sense. Yet, I have a 9/1 kda so far out of 4 games and beat rumble, shen, irelia, and gp top. Rumble was by far the hardest lane for me so far, but after chalice/merc it got easy. Shen was laughable easy. Irelia was annoying, but I was never in danger and zoned her out easily. All 4 games the top lane was forced to take the jungle to keep up. The GP game I gave first blood at lvl 1 to an ali gank : /. I forced him out of lane right when I got back and snowballed him from there even though he got first.
It's hilarious because every game the other player thinks they can take you. Then when they realize they can't trade with you. They stay far away and go jungle when the lane is pushed.
Edit... Yeah, seems people are catching on. A few OP threads on the lol forums, but they both were locked and downvoted into oblivion xD.
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^A bonus with nunu is that you can nom their jungle creeps constantly if you have good map awareness
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