EPT[Champion] Nunu - Page 17
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Ryuu314
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HazMat
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icemanzdoinwork
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On August 01 2012 00:17 Ryuu314 wrote: I haven't run into a Riven yet, but I just can't do anything against Rumble. For the first few levels I can bully him pretty darn hard with E+autos, but after like level 4 it just gets so painful. A good Rumble would just shield the snowballs then turn on Q if you try to harass or last hit. Rumble pushes like mad, but with good warding nothign short of your jungler literally camping 24/7 can do much I find. I found that I could really only go cs when I had both Q and E up. E to keep him from chasing me and Q to heal up the flamespitter I'm guaranteed to take when I cs. Don't worry he'll be nefred soon enough  | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Thanks, I didn't realize they were hyperlinked. On August 01 2012 00:17 Ryuu314 wrote: I haven't run into a Riven yet, but I just can't do anything against Rumble. For the first few levels I can bully him pretty darn hard with E+autos, but after like level 4 it just gets so painful. A good Rumble would just shield the snowballs then turn on Q if you try to harass or last hit. Rumble pushes like mad, but with good warding nothign short of your jungler literally camping 24/7 can do much I find. I found that I could really only go cs when I had both Q and E up. E to keep him from chasing me and Q to heal up the flamespitter I'm guaranteed to take when I cs. Top lanes can by pink wards too, doesn't just have to be support. And an overextended rumble has a hard time retreating even with shield (courtesy of snowball, blood boil, and ult). If he's pushing super hard, and you've frozen the creeps just outside your tower like you should, then rumble should have to blow flash to avoid a gank, which depending on the jungle doesn't even ensure safety if you offensive flash as well. He also has no hard CC to break your ult, which can be really useful in supporting a gank. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 01 2012 00:17 Ryuu314 wrote: I haven't run into a Riven yet, but I just can't do anything against Rumble. For the first few levels I can bully him pretty darn hard with E+autos, but after like level 4 it just gets so painful. A good Rumble would just shield the snowballs then turn on Q if you try to harass or last hit. Rumble pushes like mad, but with good warding nothign short of your jungler literally camping 24/7 can do much I find. I found that I could really only go cs when I had both Q and E up. E to keep him from chasing me and Q to heal up the flamespitter I'm guaranteed to take when I cs. Ban rumble, he's OP. On August 01 2012 00:19 HazMat wrote: Also I'm pretty sure Darius beats Nunu. I've only crushed them thus far. I don't see how he can ever get more than E -> Q -> W on you if you just snowball him, and at that point, you eat a creep and it's k. | ||
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obesechicken13
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101toss
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Perplex
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edit: As this becomes more popular and junglers start thinking "nunu is op, let's camp him", would you consider starting boots 3 and a ward using gold from the utility mastery? You'd be ungankable in your most vulnerable state | ||
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101toss
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 01 2012 01:20 Perplex wrote: So i've yet to come across a losing lane when I play this... I'm rushing to figure out a viable counterpick before this goes FoTM. Considering I main top, I need an answer to Nunu besides banning him :p edit: As this becomes more popular and junglers start thinking "nunu is op, let's camp him", would you consider starting boots 3 and a ward using gold from the utility mastery? You'd be ungankable in your most vulnerable state na, I want them to camp me. a camped nunu is still stronk as balls, as long as your team doesn't faceplant 4v3 elsewhere, you win the game by getting camped. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 01 2012 01:20 Perplex wrote: So i've yet to come across a losing lane when I play this... I'm rushing to figure out a viable counterpick before this goes FoTM. Considering I main top, I need an answer to Nunu besides banning him :p edit: As this becomes more popular and junglers start thinking "nunu is op, let's camp him", would you consider starting boots 3 and a ward using gold from the utility mastery? You'd be ungankable in your most vulnerable state I could see fizz being a good counterpick against nunu~, but no concrete evidence of it. This is how i could see the matchup go. Fizz E's the snowball, then Q-W combo on nunu, then runs away. nunu can't really do anything to retaliate | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2012 01:38 wei2coolman wrote: I could see fizz being a good counterpick against nunu~, but no concrete evidence of it. This is how i could see the matchup go. Fizz E's the snowball, then Q-W combo on nunu, then runs away. nunu can't really do anything to retaliate Except Fizz continually eats snowballs, while Nunu just munches a minion to shrug off the harass. Fizz would also run OOM way faster than Nunu in this case. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 01 2012 01:39 Requizen wrote: Except Fizz continually eats snowballs, while Nunu just munches a minion to shrug off the harass. Fizz would also run OOM way faster than Nunu in this case. How would fizz eat snowballs when he can dodge with e? Not to mention the reduction to healing is huge against nunu, especially sinec nunu's cooldown are long in early game. Yeah, i could see fizz going oom first, but I could also see fizz forcing nunu back by the time a fizz runs oom. Fizz wins against vlad matchup~, and vlad has no mana issues.  | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2012 01:42 wei2coolman wrote: How would fizz eat snowballs when he can dodge with e? Not to mention the reduction to healing is huge against nunu, especially sinec nunu's cooldown are long in early game. Yeah, i could see fizz going oom first, but I could also see fizz forcing nunu back by the time a fizz runs oom. Fizz wins against vlad matchup~, and vlad has no mana issues. Snowball is also on a shorter cooldown than Playful/Trickster at all ranks, especially at low ranks. If I were playing Nunu, I'd Snowball once to force the Playful, run before he can Trickster in range, then go back to doing the normal thing. On the other hand, I almost never see Fizz outside of mid, and even that was like once in the past two months, so I don't know him that well. | ||
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GhostOwl
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On August 01 2012 01:42 wei2coolman wrote: How would fizz eat snowballs when he can dodge with e? Not to mention the reduction to healing is huge against nunu, especially sinec nunu's cooldown are long in early game. Yeah, i could see fizz going oom first, but I could also see fizz forcing nunu back by the time a fizz runs oom. Fizz wins against vlad matchup~, and vlad has no mana issues. Fizz vs Vlad is way different than Fizz vs Nunu Nunu's snowballs are wayyyyy more spammable than Fizz's pole. Mana-wise AND cdr-wise. Honestly, I haven't faced a nunu with my fizz yet but Vlad is easy to face because Vlad's healing is reduced through Fizz's w. On August 01 2012 01:38 wei2coolman wrote: I could see fizz being a good counterpick against nunu~, but no concrete evidence of it. This is how i could see the matchup go. Fizz E's the snowball, then Q-W combo on nunu, then runs away. nunu can't really do anything to retaliate Early game/Mid game, Fizz without blue can only perform E Q W combo 2 or 3 times before he goes completely oom. Nunu 's Q will allow him to stay in lane and wait for Fizz to run outta mana. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 01 2012 01:46 GhostOwl wrote: Fizz vs Vlad is way different than Fizz vs Nunu Nunu's snowballs are wayyyyy more spammable than Fizz's pole. Mana-wise AND cdr-wise. Honestly, I haven't faced a nunu with my fizz yet but Vlad is easy to face because Vlad's healing is reduced through Fizz's w. Early game/Mid game, Fizz without blue can only perform E Q W combo 2 or 3 times before he goes completely oom. Nunu 's Q will allow him to stay in lane and wait for Fizz to run outta mana. Well, fizz doesn't always need to do a full eqw trade. I think Fizz's w trade is stronger than nunu's E-Q trade, and if fizz wants to go all in on a pre-6 kill on a nunu, his eqw trade will completely out trade nunu. | ||
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Requizen
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wei2coolman
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Perplex
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:03 Perplex wrote: Haha that's funny so am I wei2cool.. i'll be on tonight and we can play the matchup if you want though (just for fun, friendly ofc). I need more practice on nunu anyway  , i still can't, i didn't bring my computer home~ essentially this summer I'm living in 2 different places. half the week I'm in SD, interning, and the other half, in Riverside, just studying mcats, I've been leaving my computer in Rside.~ | ||
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