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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 23 2012 13:38 GMT
#201
I dunno why people have trouble dodging Diana's Q's. Just walk towards her.

Swain rocks Diana. She comes into melee range of the creeps post 6 and just fight her.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 23 2012 13:51 GMT
#202
Thing is the only reason Swain does kinda well with mana management pre-blue is his passive, which isn't helped against a good pusher like Diana. Add the shield to mitigate your DoTs (the free renewable shield, should I say), and the fact that she can spam all day with her ridiculous mana costs and I believe she could easily wear down a Swain by running him oom.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 23 2012 13:57 GMT
#203
On August 23 2012 22:38 Bladeorade wrote:
I dunno why people have trouble dodging Diana's Q's. Just walk towards her.

Swain rocks Diana. She comes into melee range of the creeps post 6 and just fight her.


You do that often and she will intentionally aim the arc at you instead of the circle.
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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 23 2012 14:12 GMT
#204
On August 23 2012 22:57 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 22:38 Bladeorade wrote:
I dunno why people have trouble dodging Diana's Q's. Just walk towards her.

Swain rocks Diana. She comes into melee range of the creeps post 6 and just fight her.


You do that often and she will intentionally aim the arc at you instead of the circle.

So recognize this and change your pattern? walking straight backwards or sideways is the worst way to dodge.

I prefer running straight at Diana and engaging since her Q is now on cooldown
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 03:52:55
August 24 2012 03:52 GMT
#205
On August 23 2012 22:57 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 22:38 Bladeorade wrote:
I dunno why people have trouble dodging Diana's Q's. Just walk towards her.

Swain rocks Diana. She comes into melee range of the creeps post 6 and just fight her.


You do that often and she will intentionally aim the arc at you instead of the circle.

Or she'll just use her other abilities and do 2-3x more damage than the Q.

Its range needs to get nerfed pretty badly, as does her ult range. Damage on Q could stand to go down, too.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 24 2012 03:56 GMT
#206
If she tries to kill you at or after 6, she is playing a very dangerous game. Anyone who has to get in close to Swain to fight him without some form of CC (Kassadin op) has the potential to be taken from 100-0 or at least chunked for a great deal of their health.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 27 2012 17:54 GMT
#207
When you play Swain top, and considering the lack of good armor itemization for AP champs, would you consider getting early tabi instead of sorc shoes? I mean sorcs are probably better if you're ahead, but against hard-hitting lanes (Panth, Riven, etc.) wouldn't you rather want the resists to outsustain them?
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 27 2012 18:01 GMT
#208
On August 23 2012 22:51 Alaric wrote:
Thing is the only reason Swain does kinda well with mana management pre-blue is his passive, which isn't helped against a good pusher like Diana. Add the shield to mitigate your DoTs (the free renewable shield, should I say), and the fact that she can spam all day with her ridiculous mana costs and I believe she could easily wear down a Swain by running him oom.


This is why you run AD runes on Swain and destroy Diana pre-6 via autos.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 27 2012 18:26 GMT
#209
'k I'll run my AD/armor/flat MR/MS page on him one day.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:59:54
August 27 2012 19:20 GMT
#210
Plus it's easier to last hit with AD runes. Not that I'd use them for that particular reason or anything.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 28 2012 05:26 GMT
#211
AD runes are a reasonable choice on Swain. A lot of your early control comes from Torment amplifying your autoattack damage, and last hits are how you keep your mana topped off.

Armor items? Armor runes and get a chainmail for Hourglass. Not that Tabi's a bad buy or anything, though usually I go for Mercs.

I haven't played Swain vs Diana, but I think Swain would beat her. Torment is comparable to her Crescent Strike in mana cost and cooldown early, and she's melee range so you get a few autoattacks on her if she tries to close. Crescent Strike does outrange torment, but you should be able to make it to level 6.
From 6 on, if she goes all-in on you she might get a kill but you should win otherwise because of the crazy healing on your ult. Buy some magic resist and/or doran's rings early.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 23:46:31
September 15 2012 23:44 GMT
#212
On August 28 2012 14:26 Tooplark wrote:
AD runes are a reasonable choice on Swain. A lot of your early control comes from Torment amplifying your autoattack damage, and last hits are how you keep your mana topped off.

Armor items? Armor runes and get a chainmail for Hourglass. Not that Tabi's a bad buy or anything, though usually I go for Mercs.

I haven't played Swain vs Diana, but I think Swain would beat her. Torment is comparable to her Crescent Strike in mana cost and cooldown early, and she's melee range so you get a few autoattacks on her if she tries to close. Crescent Strike does outrange torment, but you should be able to make it to level 6.
From 6 on, if she goes all-in on you she might get a kill but you should win otherwise because of the crazy healing on your ult. Buy some magic resist and/or doran's rings early.

I guess this is kinda an old post but if she ults onto you pop ult and shit on her. If you have cata(i.e arent fighting boots vs boots or something) you'll poop all over her. If you need armor id just get hourglass, really like running HP/L Yellows on Swain.

Im quite convinced he's one of the stronger AP mids atm.

Reading one of the LoLPro guides posted in GD, im kinda liking RoA-> Hat, was doing RoA Abby with a chalice mixed in sometimes, but liking DC atm.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 15 2012 23:58 GMT
#213
swain should crush diana in lane.
should diana get good / similar farm to him, she should be able to kill him with any assistance or on her own with ignite should they duel imo post level 7 ish
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