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On April 18 2013 07:12 Tooplark wrote:
So, jungle Morde is actually pretty solid thanks to Spirit of the Spectral Wraith (which is crazy strong).
The basic idea is to farm jungle super hard until revolver + 6, then farm jungle slightly less hard with occasional ganks.
And, for all the "jungle morde worst ganks ever", they're surprisingly not that bad, though you have to blow ghost or rely on your laners unless they're really overextended.
Build is machete/pots -> boots/revolver (boots if you intend to gank before 6, otherwise revolver) -> SotSW -> "whatever the heck you want" (rec. WotA)
Armor yellows, hybrid (or aspd or mpen or arpen) reds, ap (or scaling mr or armor) blues, ap (or spell vamp or anything previously mentioned) quints. Start is flexible, though blue is best, and of course you can give up all your blues after the first. First clear is super rough if you donate a blue though.
pls no
Just go mid and afk farm wraiths, you will have x2 the farm without having zero jungle pressure.
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Am I the only person who thinks he is in a bad state right now? His winrate isn't too bad but he hasn't been picked in a tourney game for a long time, and he offers nothing that other champs can't bring to the table.
I really think they need to change his Q. It is an almost useless spell (Still has AD scaling wtf?) and makes his whole kit rely on his E hitting multiple people and getting a good ult off.
He is like Garen really, decent pubstomper vs nubs but is awful vs decent players/teams.
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On May 16 2013 12:38 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks he is in a bad state right now? His winrate isn't too bad but he hasn't been picked in a tourney game for a long time, and he offers nothing that other champs can't bring to the table.
I really think they need to change his Q. It is an almost useless spell (Still has AD scaling wtf?) and makes his whole kit rely on his E hitting multiple people and getting a good ult off.
He is like Garen really, decent pubstomper vs nubs but is awful vs decent players/teams.
Everyone agrees with you, except the Garne comparison is not very apt.
He is weak because he is melle + needs to push + is gank vulnerable + easy to poke. The problem is that people love him and his kit as-is (Like Teemo lovers love Teemo). They could polish up Morde, but that would upset the balance at 1200 ELO without many pro game gains.
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He is really one dimensional. You either kill someone , get a ghost, and carry.... or you don't and die. Then there is the issue of what kind of ghosts are good and what kinds are not worth the effort.
His laning phase is also not that great unless it is a matchup morde really prefers.
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On May 16 2013 15:30 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 12:38 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks he is in a bad state right now? His winrate isn't too bad but he hasn't been picked in a tourney game for a long time, and he offers nothing that other champs can't bring to the table.
I really think they need to change his Q. It is an almost useless spell (Still has AD scaling wtf?) and makes his whole kit rely on his E hitting multiple people and getting a good ult off.
He is like Garen really, decent pubstomper vs nubs but is awful vs decent players/teams. Everyone agrees with you, except the Garne comparison is not very apt. He is weak because he is melle + needs to push + is gank vulnerable + easy to poke. The problem is that people love him and his kit as-is (Like Teemo lovers love Teemo). They could polish up Morde, but that would upset the balance at 1200 ELO without many pro game gains.
I want to say that he needs some sort of CC to really complete his kit, in exchange for some of his durability. His need/tendency to push lanes isn't necessarily a bad thing, he just can't seem to take advantage of it because his roam potential just seems weaker compared to an Ahri or a Diana when they push lanes to roam (might not be the best comparisons).
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I don't mind his roam being bad because with a revolver he can push for free faster than nearly anyone (Maybe AP janna pushes faster, but she relies on mana). Just change the god damn Q, I seriously hate that spell so much.
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Q is what makes AD morde so wonderful though.
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Q was a good spell when everyone didn't understand how morde worked and was bad and sometimes let you run up to them. Right now its just relegated to flash-Q or farming.
Actually its just time to bring back movement speed morde with triforce, gunblade and tank hue hue hue hue.
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Bring back? IT'S ALREADY HERE!
(i usually find gunblade+triforce is too squishy for its cost though, been goin ghost/cleanse gunblade swifties, always fast never notfast huehuehue)
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I recently bought Mordekaiser and have played him in a few games, but have had a very difficult time. While I can do pretty well in lane, team fights just feel extremely difficult. Since Mordekaiser is the only champion in the game who's melee with very short-range spells and has no CC or gap-closers, I feel like most of the time I either just get kited, or CCed and killed since I need to actually hit people before I'm somewhat tanky. Is Mordekaiser just only good on teams with a lot of CC to lock people in place so you can get close and actually do damage?
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I love Morde, but he is just so easily countered.
His really suffers vs CC and of QSS that now builds into mercurial scimitar really denies his chances to get adc ghost.
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Since your ult does percentage of max health damage and it's so hard to reach their ADC most of the time, is it a good idea to target their tank instead? Since you can get off DFG + all your abilities + ignite pretty easily, I'm thinking that maybe that's the better idea in a lot of situations.
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On August 07 2013 19:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Since your ult does percentage of max health damage and it's so hard to reach their ADC most of the time, is it a good idea to target their tank instead? Since you can get off DFG + all your abilities + ignite pretty easily, I'm thinking that maybe that's the better idea in a lot of situations.
If we are talking jungle tank like a Jarvan or Xin it's a possibility in the midgame when they don't have much gold yet, no MR and are behind in level compared to a mid Mordekaiser. If you are playing against a top bruiser/tank I wouldn't try to ult him or DFG when he is 80%+ health because you won't kill him alone
But as Morde you need to peel for your team, you picked a Mid without CC with low chase capabilities without mejai and movespeed item if the other team just CC-Burst-disengage and you can't force them to commit to long fights where morde can just melee people with Q and tank with its shield you aren't going to win a teamfight ever if you let your mates die.
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On August 07 2013 19:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Since your ult does percentage of max health damage and it's so hard to reach their ADC most of the time, is it a good idea to target their tank instead? Since you can get off DFG + all your abilities + ignite pretty easily, I'm thinking that maybe that's the better idea in a lot of situations.
Depends what I'm versing, but yeah usually on Morde my late game revolves around hitting their tank with huge % hp damage rather than getting a flukey adc ghost. Also if they have an assassin on the other team you can just about 1 hit them at 6 items.
Whilst he has a lot of limitations, Morde is still really good vs the current Kassadin spam. Obviously you are open to jungle pressure, but if you have a strong early game jungler you can utterly wreck him when the inevitable camp comes in.
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I went Speedkaizer one game
double bt double pd triforce boots
i died in like 5 seconds
but dat lifesteel 2 leet
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"verse" is not to be used like that. you're trying to shorten the word "versus" in a way that does not actually exist, and it bugs me to no end when I hear it. it depends what you're AGAINST. "versing" isn't a word unless you mean spitting rhymes.
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On October 17 2013 19:57 schmutttt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 19:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Since your ult does percentage of max health damage and it's so hard to reach their ADC most of the time, is it a good idea to target their tank instead? Since you can get off DFG + all your abilities + ignite pretty easily, I'm thinking that maybe that's the better idea in a lot of situations. Depends what I'm versing, but yeah usually on Morde my late game revolves around hitting their tank with huge % hp damage rather than getting a flukey adc ghost. Also if they have an assassin on the other team you can just about 1 hit them at 6 items. Whilst he has a lot of limitations, Morde is still really good vs the current Kassadin spam. Obviously you are open to jungle pressure, but if you have a strong early game jungler you can utterly wreck him when the inevitable camp comes in.
Mordekaiser isn't too bad vs Zed and Fizz either. But I do agree that vs Kassadin it's a pretty big stomp.
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Is Mordekaiser even good in this meta? I had thought that he had really fallen off compared to other popular mid laners.
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On October 18 2013 14:17 Frudgey wrote:
Is Mordekaiser even good in this meta? I had thought that he had really fallen off compared to other popular mid laners.
He's always been a strong laner (He actually does really well top in a pure 1v1 situation vs a lot of champions) but his lack of CC and mobility is why he has fallen off.
On October 18 2013 07:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
"verse" is not to be used like that. you're trying to shorten the word "versus" in a way that does not actually exist, and it bugs me to no end when I hear it. it depends what you're AGAINST. "versing" isn't a word unless you mean spitting rhymes.
Sorry steve
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On October 18 2013 07:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
"verse" is not to be used like that. you're trying to shorten the word "versus" in a way that does not actually exist, and it bugs me to no end when I hear it. it depends what you're AGAINST. "versing" isn't a word unless you mean spitting rhymes.
Verse can also be used as a verb to mean something like "inform someone" SO HAH
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