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On April 26 2011 05:19 Fawkes wrote:
Has anyone played around for fun with CR/AP ashe and just shot arrows at different lanes?
Has been done time and time again. It takes forever to farm up significant AP as Volley without AD is pretty poor against minions. By the time you have a meaningful amount of AP, people have enough MRes that it really doesn't matter anymore.
Ezreal does the same thing, but it's much more fun on him.
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On April 26 2011 05:19 Fawkes wrote:
Has anyone played around for fun with CR/AP ashe and just shot arrows at different lanes?
Do it in bot games. Hilariously fun but not possible in a real game because of what spine said. Like even if you build her like sion (sheen -> deathcap -> lichbane) she still doesn't do enough damage and only really has her r + sheen/lichbane proc. zzzzz
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If you want to spam Arrow in normal/ranked, you are better off with spines' GBR/B build I'd say. At least then your auto attacks will actually deal damage.
I once had an Ashe on a 3v3 team who built Nashor's tooth first "for arrow". Apart from a few arrows (and arrow kill steals) her damage output was negligible. As far as I can tell AP Ashe just doesn't work.
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Thanks for the Bloodthirster tip - I forgot it wasn't unique.
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On April 26 2011 05:33 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 05:19 Fawkes wrote:
Has anyone played around for fun with CR/AP ashe and just shot arrows at different lanes? Do it in bot games. Hilariously fun but not possible in a real game because of what spine said. Like even if you build her like sion (sheen -> deathcap -> lichbane) she still doesn't do enough damage and only really has her r + sheen/lichbane proc. zzzzz
And then you get KS'd by AP Cow all day eery day
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Thanks for the advice from everyone here. I've updated my Robin Hood guide.
Just played a 45 minute game where this happened:
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/NwDjL.png)
It was only because my teammates were awful that I was able to do this. I got 4-5 ganks off really early while trying to save them and just snowballed really fast. I had Boots of Swiftness as item 2 but sold them at the end for the third phantom dancer, then solo'd the Baron and literally 1a'd into their base, scored an ace and killed the nexus.
This build is really hard to get up to, but if you do Ashe is only scared by stuns.
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Last Whisper. Why do you not have one. This isn't even a question, so no question mark.
Oh and with those items you can run DPS Annie, doesn't matter anymore.
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On April 27 2011 05:05 spinesheath wrote:
Last Whisper. Why do you not have one. This isn't even a question, so no question mark.
Oh and with those items you can run DPS Annie, doesn't matter anymore.
To be fair, if he's getting games where he can do something like that, he's probably against opponents that don't buy enough armor to make LW worthwhile.
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He has like, zero armor pen items. I'd say last whisper will be worthwhile no matter what.
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The only person who had a decent amount of armor on their team was garen. And since he couldn't touch me, I went without it. Everyone else was really squishy - Annie, Ashe, Leblanc, and Yi.
I'm using APen runes atm, which helps a bit. But again, this build is not a 100% serious build, its just hilarious as shit. If it needs LW, I guess you could trade out a PD?
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On April 27 2011 05:36 iGrok wrote:
The only person who had a decent amount of armor on their team was garen. And since he couldn't touch me, I went without it. Everyone else was really squishy - Annie, Ashe, Leblanc, and Yi.
I'm using APen runes atm, which helps a bit. But again, this build is not a 100% serious build, its just hilarious as shit. If it needs LW, I guess you could trade out a PD?
LW still would have been better than a 3rd PD. You go over 100% crit, you don't need that much ASpd, and the extra AD helps you Volley the squishies. And even squishies run at least 80 base armor at lvl 18.
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Black Cleaver probably would have been better if no one broke 100+ armor, but yeah at least SOME penetration item would have been better than nothing.
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I imagine his incredible speed of 2 PD +Swiftness was a large part of him doing well, and he was attempting to maintain as much MS as possible when selling boots (I mean upgrade-wise, PD is the closest dps item to a boots3 replacement).
The second closest boots3 is Triforce, which I might have gotten in that scenario for the diverse stats. Against a team with mobile champs like Garen, LeBlanc, and Yi, I wouldn't take any chances when running zero defensive items. To put things in perspective, a Yi with boots2 and one PD would be MUCH faster than an Ashe with 2 PD's and no boots, and a garen with boots2 and FoN would be exactly as fast. This is before things such as ghostblade, MS runes, ghost, and highlander/decisive strike.
If you are literally a one-man team, it pays to be careful. And it's not like he won't be using the AS.
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On April 27 2011 12:58 Flakes wrote:
I imagine his incredible speed of 2 PD +Swiftness was a large part of him doing well, and he was attempting to maintain as much MS as possible when selling boots (I mean upgrade-wise, PD is the closest dps item to a boots3 replacement).
The second closest boots3 is Triforce, which I might have gotten in that scenario for the diverse stats. Against a team with mobile champs like Garen, LeBlanc, and Yi, I wouldn't take any chances when running zero defensive items. To put things in perspective, a Yi with boots2 and one PD would be MUCH faster than an Ashe with 2 PD's and no boots, and a garen with boots2 and FoN would be exactly as fast. This is before things such as ghostblade, MS runes, ghost, and highlander/decisive strike.
If you are literally a one-man team, it pays to be careful. And it's not like he won't be using the AS.
The movement speed was certainly a factor in my choice. While I do have slow and the AS to make frost shot take no time to setup, my fear still was geting caught by a tanky dps with a stun. The other thing is that with yet another AS increase, I'll be healing so fast they can't do shit. Its really situational whether PD or LW will let you heal faster.
I played today trying BT -> Boots -> BT -> PD -> LW -> IE against an armor heavy team (Rumble, Mord, & Garen). I had to stay constantly green-potted, but the results were hilarious. forced them to chase me, picked them off one by one, and they surrendered soon after.
I've certainly learned more over time of using this. #1, farming is important, but ganking is an easier way to rack up cash. Originally I'd been going anti-minion and staying away from teamfights, but I've figured out more transitions for this build. Its certainly not a team-focused build, but if you're doing solo- or duo- queue, its a really good way to be prepared for shitty teammates.
Basically, if they're really squishy, I go BT, BoS, BT, PD, PD, IE, (-Bos) PD. If their really armor heavy, BT, BoS, BT, PD, LW, IE, and I leave it at that. I'm not sure if I can solo the baron like this.
I'll update the guide soon to reflect all this.
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that udyr build is amazing
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Wow, IGrok, how can you be this squishy and almost 1a into there base. I don't think Ashe with all-out damage items work unless you are vs a very bad team. Just too squishy to get 3 shots by any decent team.
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The lifesteal and AS are what keep me alive. With the 3 PD final, I do just under 2,000 dps to their squishies (crit every shot for ~900*2.2AS), and I'm healing 50% of that. So as long as they aren't all instantly focused on me, two of their squishies die, and then they don't have the burst damage to take me down.
This is why Ashe is great: she has range and slow, so she stay out of engagements until she's sniped at least one high damage dealer. Obviously, you can't 1a into their base if the enemy team is decent, but this build just rips apart any squishy-heavy team, which happens fairly often on solo-queue games.
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I take it they had no nukers capable of flash-instagibbing you?
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Actually squishies have a tendency to come with high burst which rips a squishy Ashe apart. All out offense is stronger against all tanky melee setups that you can kite.
Lifesteal doesn't keep you alive if you die instantly.
iGrok is quite obviously playing at a very low level right now, and that's the only reason why you can even see him finish 6 big items.
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On April 29 2011 17:17 spinesheath wrote:
Actually squishies have a tendency to come with high burst which rips a squishy Ashe apart. All out offense is stronger against all tanky melee setups that you can kite.
Lifesteal doesn't keep you alive if you die instantly.
iGrok is quite obviously playing at a very low level right now, and that's the only reason why you can even see him finish 6 big items.
I am certainly not playing at the top level. In fact,
On April 25 2011 03:44 iGrok wrote:
This isn't intended to be a top arranged-team character guide, since I honestly don't know how this would work there.
Basically, I found a build that works really damn well for me, wrote it up, and asked for feedback ^^. Which I've received, and has helped me make it much better than it started :D. Eventually, I'll probably switch to a more traditional Ashe build, but for now I'm having fun, and thats the most important thing for me
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