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United States3216 Posts
On February 21 2011 15:49 BlackHat wrote: Edit: Reading comprehension fail... That said, what runes and masteries are you going with? I go magic pen reds, armour yellows, mr blues, health quints. Quints should probably be changed. I run 9/0/21 | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 07 2011 04:55 Misder wrote: I'm having trouble early game with kat... I don't seem to do any damage, and I can't really harass until lvl 4, which seems late... help? no, that's about right. she doesn't have high damage output until her cooldowns start getting lower and she can be throwing daggers all the time the key thing with *any* melee solo champ (especially a magical one, like katarina, kassadin, akali) is that you need to play extremely passively UNTIL you've hit your harassment sweet-spot. for akali this may be level 3 when she's got 2 levels of Q and her shroud to help zone. for kassadin it's closer to 5 when his Q starts doing appreciable damage. for katarina it's around 4 (if you use killer instincts to activate the damage reduction and shunpo->bouncing blade) or 5 (if you're just maxing shunpo and bouncing blade and the cooldowns are starting to line up better). until you hit that sweet spot, it is imperative that you stay at high HP and don't go for risky last-hits. 10 extra last-hits isn't worth it if you hit level 5 but you're at 300 HP and the enemy ranged mid has complete lane control. so basically what i'm saying is you're playing her right. she's not a level 1 dominator. her strength is the fact that her skills have no mana/health/fury/heat/karma restrictions, they are only cooldown-based. so when you start getting lower cooldowns, you can start engaging more aggressively because you'll have your skills up quickly and have more sustained damage. until then, just play passively | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On June 07 2011 05:06 gtrsrs wrote: no, that's about right. she doesn't have high damage output until her cooldowns start getting lower and she can be throwing daggers all the time the key thing with *any* melee solo champ (especially a magical one, like katarina, kassadin, akali) is that you need to play extremely passively UNTIL you've hit your harassment sweet-spot. for akali this may be level 3 when she's got 2 levels of Q and her shroud to help zone. for kassadin it's closer to 5 when his Q starts doing appreciable damage. for katarina it's around 4 (if you use killer instincts to activate the damage reduction and shunpo->bouncing blade) or 5 (if you're just maxing shunpo and bouncing blade and the cooldowns are starting to line up better). until you hit that sweet spot, it is imperative that you stay at high HP and don't go for risky last-hits. 10 extra last-hits isn't worth it if you hit level 5 but you're at 300 HP and the enemy ranged mid has complete lane control. so basically what i'm saying is you're playing her right. she's not a level 1 dominator. her strength is the fact that her skills have no mana/health/fury/heat/karma restrictions, they are only cooldown-based. so when you start getting lower cooldowns, you can start engaging more aggressively because you'll have your skills up quickly and have more sustained damage. until then, just play passively k, so then when I hit 4, do I just harass as much as I can? Also, is there any matchups I should definitely win? Definitely lose? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:07 Misder wrote: k, so then when I hit 4, do I just harass as much as I can? Also, is there any matchups I should definitely win? Definitely lose? definitely win vs any ranged dps or skill shot champ such as ez/anivia/morg there is nothing that you should definitely lose as kat | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:14 Frolossus wrote: definitely win vs any ranged dps or skill shot champ such as ez/anivia/morg there is nothing that you should definitely lose as kat there are plenty of auto-loses for kat anyone that has a location-based or character-based skill will beat kat on virtue of her taking too much damage when she tries to shunpo. for example, rumble will fuck kat's shit up all day because every time she tries to shunpo on him he will turn on flamespitter. garen is another similar example. i also have a feeling kat would have a really hard time against orianna but i haven't played either side of that matchup yet. kat also auto-loses to malphite and kass IMO. she is very strong against ranged dps, however. and i do agree that skillshot champs have a hard time against her since she can dodge via shunpo | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:49 gtrsrs wrote: there are plenty of auto-loses for kat anyone that has a location-based or character-based skill will beat kat on virtue of her taking too much damage when she tries to shunpo. for example, rumble will fuck kat's shit up all day because every time she tries to shunpo on him he will turn on flamespitter. garen is another similar example. i also have a feeling kat would have a really hard time against orianna but i haven't played either side of that matchup yet. kat also auto-loses to malphite and kass IMO. she is very strong against ranged dps, however. and i do agree that skillshot champs have a hard time against her since she can dodge via shunpo lolno kat doesn't shunpo TO a person directly unless they can't harass back you just QQQQQQQQ all day | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
On June 07 2011 04:55 Misder wrote: I'm having trouble early game with kat... I don't seem to do any damage, and I can't really harass until lvl 4, which seems late... help? I play passively and just get occasional shunpos and BBs in, if they get low enough I fake b and runaround back pathway to flank them. Pop ignite+exhaust = gg, also ult obviously if you're already 6. I'm a noob though  | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Kat early game doesn't have sustained dps or high burst dmg, but what she does have is a great poke with Q. I like to open QWQE and just Q the heck out of them. You have to get used to how Q bounces. Once you can predict the bouncing well, you can harass them safely from level 1. With the bounce range, you will outrange anything besides Urgot. There are a few matchups that I open QEQQ because I can EQ combo them without them hitting back for much. You should be able to send them back home once or twice before you hit 6, but if they refuse to budge, they'll probably be low hp and you can ult them down. There are plenty of champs that shut down Kat pretty well though. Fiddle is probably the hardest counter, followed by Urgot. Tanky dps champs with a heal (irelia, xin, warwick, renekton, etc) are perfectly safe from Kat, but at the same time, they don't pose a huge threat, so it ends up being a farm fest. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:40 Chairman Ray wrote: I mained Kat for a while since she was so fun. Kat early game doesn't have sustained dps or high burst dmg, but what she does have is a great poke with Q. I like to open QWQE and just Q the heck out of them. You have to get used to how Q bounces. Once you can predict the bouncing well, you can harass them safely from level 1. With the bounce range, you will outrange anything besides Urgot. There are a few matchups that I open QEQQ because I can EQ combo them without them hitting back for much. You should be able to send them back home once or twice before you hit 6, but if they refuse to budge, they'll probably be low hp and you can ult them down. There are plenty of champs that shut down Kat pretty well though. Fiddle is probably the hardest counter, followed by Urgot. Tanky dps champs with a heal (irelia, xin, warwick, renekton, etc) are perfectly safe from Kat, but at the same time, they don't pose a huge threat, so it ends up being a farm fest. urgot is easy to beat, as soon as he tries to E you shunpo away you can just poke down irelia/xin/ww/renek fiddles dies from healing debuffs | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:34 Frolossus wrote: lolno kat doesn't shunpo TO a person directly unless they can't harass back you just QQQQQQQQ all day Then you max Q first? Is it worth going AP still if maxing Q? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 13 2011 07:39 Misder wrote: Then you max Q first? Is it worth going AP still if maxing Q? yes Q is everything during laning it has a massive range and nice damage at higher ranks so you level it first with one point in E at 2 to escape ganks and 1 point in W at 4 so that you can use the healing debuff and keep the maximum damage | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 22 2011 12:56 Misder wrote: With the new meta, are there any mages that kat can exchange blows with? plenty, you just have to look at two things (a) how many damage skills do they have, and (b) what are their cooldowns like? for example, anivia has a slow, skillshot stun, and a long cooldown single-target nuke. at ~4 kat can just push anivia out of lane on virtue of Q spam and dodging anivia's ice ball with shunpo. annie, on the other hand, has 2 extremely low cooldown, high base damage skills, and she will chain one of those into a stun on you and throw another Q on you every second. you definitely can't stand and fight annie. akali has a very low-cooldown nuke that does massive damage if you get into melee range of her, as well as a low-damage, long cooldown aoe "nuke" in her E. she also has her shroud to disengage from you. engaging akali is tricky. you can whittle her down all you want with Q but as soon as you try to close the gap and shunpo/ult onto her, you're going to incur the wrath of her Q->auto combo, which tears you apart. basically, if they have long-cooldown spells (vlad), or rely entirely on skillshots (galio), or a good combination of the worst part of both (heimer) you'll beat them. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
basically if ya got mumu, galio, etc on your team, go nuts and penta otherwise she is a mad strong pub stomper, if you can get a solo lane where the opponent lets you level E over Q (which makes a huge huge huge huge HUGE difference in her ability to fight other champs - i don't level Q first unless i'm getting completely and totally fucked in lane), then you can get that level 6-7 kill pretty easily and just snowball for the rest of the match | ||
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Attakijing
United States693 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
Teamfighting you have to be careful of the CC and wait for an opportune moment to get into the battle | ||
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Attakijing
United States693 Posts
I have been playing low level games all day with a noob friend, man kat is fun as hell when youre playing against bad people. I can see why she would be useless in decent elo's though. But i don't get why people always build rylai's on her. it seems like only her E does the full slow and you are usually supposed to use that as an escape. i guess so that you E in on someone and ult them? But then couldn't you just build more ap to do effectively the same thing, i.e. more damage? | ||
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