EPTAnd now that Q doesn't scale with AD is rushing Gunblade into Dcap still the best play or would Revolver > DFG > Dcap be the better build for maximum mid-game damage?
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
And now that Q doesn't scale with AD is rushing Gunblade into Dcap still the best play or would Revolver > DFG > Dcap be the better build for maximum mid-game damage? | ||
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Frolossus
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Ghost-z
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
Q just feels too weak and useless to max first now | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Focus on farming by spamming W and QW. If your enemy lets his guard down, you can combo him. Use your ult for harrass too. In teamfights, you can spam W on the enemy front line until you see a chance to go in on someone (even a low HP tank, if you can kill him your skills refresh anyways). | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
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sylverfyre
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Frolossus
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Itemwise he did Haunting Guise + Sorc boots -> looking to complete a DFG. Edit: Abyssal before DFG completes, actually. Oh whoa, he actually went W>E>Q with 2 points in Q pre-6, not W>Q>E. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
I've seen some pro level players building it then going into Deathcap. But TiensiNoAkuma (probably spelled that wrong) plays Kat for his main champion at ~2600 elo and ever since the remake he's stopped building revolver in favor of Kage's lucky pick. He claims its better to get a faster deathcap and DFG because kats AP ratios are too good and helps you snowball into a late game terror. He also says revolver isn't worth it since Gunblade is no longer a great item choice for her. I agree with Tiensi that his build is better ever since the remake. But are their certain matchups where kat's sustain from pots wouldn't cut it and revolver would be necessary to remain in lane? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:15 Ghost-z wrote: Is Revolver first still the optimal build on Katarina in certain matchups? I've seen some pro level players building it then going into Deathcap. But TiensiNoAkuma (probably spelled that wrong) plays Kat for his main champion at ~2600 elo and ever since the remake he's stopped building revolver in favor of Kage's lucky pick. He claims its better to get a faster deathcap and DFG because kats AP ratios are too good and helps you snowball into a late game terror. He also says revolver isn't worth it since Gunblade is no longer a great item choice for her. I agree with Tiensi that his build is better ever since the remake. But are their certain matchups where kat's sustain from pots wouldn't cut it and revolver would be necessary to remain in lane? Revolver is 330g for 12% spellvamp; that's ~10 pots, or 1500 extra health. You need to deal 37500 damage to spellvamp 1500 health. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:15 Ghost-z wrote: Is Revolver first still the optimal build on Katarina in certain matchups? I've seen some pro level players building it then going into Deathcap. But TiensiNoAkuma (probably spelled that wrong) plays Kat for his main champion at ~2600 elo and ever since the remake he's stopped building revolver in favor of Kage's lucky pick. He claims its better to get a faster deathcap and DFG because kats AP ratios are too good and helps you snowball into a late game terror. He also says revolver isn't worth it since Gunblade is no longer a great item choice for her. I agree with Tiensi that his build is better ever since the remake. But are their certain matchups where kat's sustain from pots wouldn't cut it and revolver would be necessary to remain in lane? In the vast majority of cases I wouldn't get a Revolver either. Never in mid. I would only ever consider it against a low burst bruiser top. But that shouldn't happen all that much anyways... Pots (and mabe a DShield, don't underestimate it on Kat) outclass Revolver for sustain. Not so much because you pay 330 for the spellvamp, but because you pay 1200 for a dead end item (at least on Kat). Kat is all about chain killing enemies as quickly as possible, there's not much room for spellvamp lategame anyways. It's kill or get killed. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:19 Sufficiency wrote: Revolver is 330g for 12% spellvamp; that's ~10 pots, or 1500 extra health. You need to deal 37500 damage to spellvamp 1500 health. its less than 12% on everything except shunpo now that BB and DL where changed to count as AoE spells its always better right now to get a dfg so you can actually threaten to kill things mid early/mid game | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On October 20 2012 09:02 Frolossus wrote: its less than 12% on everything except shunpo now that BB and DL where changed to count as AoE spells its always better right now to get a dfg so you can actually threaten to kill things mid early/mid game Yes, and 1500 obviously isn't 12% of 37500. (hint (of sorts): it's 4%) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 20 2012 09:05 Schwopzi wrote: Yes, and 1500 obviously isn't 12% of 37500. (hint (of sorts): it's 4%) You get reduced spellvamp for aoe abilities and all of kat's abilities (except shunpo) are aoe. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 20 2012 11:49 Ryuu314 wrote: You get reduced spellvamp for aoe abilities and all of kat's abilities (except shunpo) are aoe. But you hardly do any damage on Shunpo now, so I just assumed it's 4%. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 20 2012 15:48 Sufficiency wrote: But you hardly do any damage on Shunpo now, so I just assumed it's 4%. shunpo still does a decent amount of damage, especially if you use it to proc your Q marks. But yea, most of her dmg gets reduced spellvamp so using 4% is probably best. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 20 2012 17:50 Ryuu314 wrote: shunpo still does a decent amount of damage, especially if you use it to proc your Q marks. But yea, most of her dmg gets reduced spellvamp so using 4% is probably best. Are you sure that the proc has full spellvamp? | ||
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Argoth.
Germany1961 Posts
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