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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 21 2011 11:37 GMT
#101
There's nothing to test out, he's just plain wrong. Even if the strategy he wants to execute was a good one manamune isn't required to achieve it.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 22 2011 03:09 GMT
#102
Can someone give me early laning tips on sivir? I know the big thing is your supposed to be able to cs like a boss, but I never actually got how you do it. Do you depend on bb, or ricochet, or what? Someone walk me through it.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 22 2011 03:23 GMT
#103
On March 22 2011 12:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Can someone give me early laning tips on sivir? I know the big thing is your supposed to be able to cs like a boss, but I never actually got how you do it. Do you depend on bb, or ricochet, or what? Someone walk me through it.


both, BB as the creep wave is coming down (while its still in a straight line) then just auto until everything is dead when you can. Otherwise just last hit like anyone else
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
March 22 2011 04:28 GMT
#104
Against a lot of stronger laners (or really, just ranged), you are going to need to use BB early on to get last hits. They punish you way too much when you close in for last hits. That will continue for a while till you can put up with their abuses. By 7 is when her farming kicks into auto mode, since you can just BB a wave and push it up w/ ricochet up indefinitely.

Basically you last hit normally unless they are punishing you too much for it, then you use BB defensively to try to farm. There is also the option of landing 2 BB hits on them so you can trade a bit more evenly, but that's imo a lot harder.
Morphx2
Profile Joined March 2011
147 Posts
June 12 2011 17:22 GMT
#105
So its been around 4 months since anyone posted in here.

Does anyone have an updated build that works fairly well with her?

I was laning against one as Cait and her BB did HUGE damage to me. She also stacked around 4 Doran Blades. But that BB was brutal to anyone who touched it.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 12 2011 23:16 GMT
#106
On June 13 2011 02:22 Morphx2 wrote:
So its been around 4 months since anyone posted in here.

Does anyone have an updated build that works fairly well with her?

I was laning against one as Cait and her BB did HUGE damage to me. She also stacked around 4 Doran Blades. But that BB was brutal to anyone who touched it.


You mean Caits Q? Don't get hit by it or get yourself a soraka bro. =P

afaik the way to go with sivir is still stacking BTs, no reason to change that. Also I don't know why you would pick her over any other AD carry.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 12 2011 23:22 GMT
#107
You should be able to spell shield cait's Q pretty easily, but you probably get owned anyway until lv7-8ish. Sivir's a nice carry but you have to do well early.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 23:58:03
June 12 2011 23:56 GMT
#108
#1: He's talking about Sivir's BB doing a ton of damage. And yes, if you get both bounces off it does do a ton of damage. But it's easy to dodge.

#2: You pick sivir because of her insane pushing power. No other AD carry has the pushing power sivir has.

#3: Stacking BT's still works. 2 should be the max though. Losing 80 AD on death is pretty brutal so you kind of don't want to go above that.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Morphx2
Profile Joined March 2011
147 Posts
June 12 2011 23:59 GMT
#109
oh sorry, i meant what is a good sivir build. She whooped my Cait and I wanted to mess around with Sivir
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 13 2011 01:28 GMT
#110
On June 13 2011 08:59 Morphx2 wrote:
oh sorry, i meant what is a good sivir build. She whooped my Cait and I wanted to mess around with Sivir

2BTs, LW, zerks is pretty core.

everything else is up to you. warmogs is decent survivability by itself, bveil is OP as always, atmas+mogs is funny. the last two slots should be survivability and/or an IE.
hypno_toad
Profile Joined December 2010
United States156 Posts
June 27 2011 01:35 GMT
#111
my personal favorite Sivir build is:
Dorans Blade
Dorans Blade
AS boots
vampric scepter
the AD snowball item (dont know name)
Starks
Blood Thirster
Phage
Black Cleaver
Frozen Mallet

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OnebaseroachGG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia11 Posts
June 30 2011 12:18 GMT
#112
Imo siv should be built purely for bd and split pushing , shes a joke atm as a ad carry.
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Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
September 01 2011 19:13 GMT
#113
Soo ... bumping this thread as I have some questions about Sivir. I'm pretty new to LoL, started playing after the IEM finals. I quickly got frustrated over mediocre games and weird team mates, was on the verge of uninstalling and bought Sivir from my IP for some last rounds ... only to fall in love with this hero.

I've played 30 or 40 matches with her since and I really, really like her style. However, Sivir doesn't seem to be too popular among some of my team mates and I frequently get critizied for picking her and for my build. However, I have a pretty decent record so far and feel like contributing to my teams' wins. Sivir may be a bit squishy but I feel like I can control her quite well by now, I don't die too often and usually survive being primaried in team fights thanks to shield + item slows + cleanse.

So I've got some questions.

1) Why so much flak for Sivir? The last post above me says Sivir's "a joke" ... why that? My experice so far has been very good, but then again I'm only level 10 right now. Does a lot change on higher levels?

2) What's a good item build for her? I've had a lot of success so far with a build revolving around attack speed / damage and the Hextech Gunblade / Bloodthirster. Usually starting with Doran's Blade, the Berserker Boots and then getting on of those items; usually the Gunblade (rather, the Bilgewater sword first) for the slow.

3) I realize Sivir's strength lies in pushing lanes and I can do that pretty well, but I also find her highly versatile in team fights due to ulti / finishing runners with boomerang, surviving thanks to the shield and wreaking general havoc with bouncing blades, insane attack speed and high damage. That's what she's there for or not?

4) What's the difference between "ap Sivir" and "ad Sivir"? One focussing on ability power, the other on attack damage, right? So why am I being criticized in games when I answer "ad", get a lot of +damage items, get a sh*tton of kills and even more assists but then get told my "build suxxx sivir noob"?

TL;DR: Having fun with Sivir, having success as well, but getting flak for using her / my builds. Looking for general advice and / or pointers to improve my play.

Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
September 01 2011 19:23 GMT
#114
AP Sivir was an old gimmicky build from way back when. Her Q, (boomerang blade) used to scale with only AP, not AD. So AP Sivir was a fun trolly build with which your basic attacks were fairly negligible, but your boomerang hit like a truck.

After the changes, boomerang scales with both, but the AD ratio is better, so AP is pretty worthless on her. You're better off simply stacking AD so that all your attacks do more damage, not merely your Q.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 01 2011 19:29 GMT
#115
General Sivir build still is:
Berserker Greaves, Bloodthirster, win game.
Often you want to build some defense in case you actually didn't win. In that case Warmogs -> Atma's (or Giant's Belt -> Atma's -> Warmogs) is solid most of the time. After that it usually is time to get a Last Whisper. I'd probably get a Phantom Dancer afterwards. If you STILL didn't win, Infinity Edge.

Maxed out a good allround Sivir build is: Mercury Treads, Bloodthirster, Warmog's, Atma's, Last Whisper, Inifinity Edge (Sell Berserker Greaves for Mercury Treads if the game goes that late).

In teamfights, Sivir just mindlessly attacks whatever target is in range (bonus points if you switch to a squishy target that happens to get near you). Don't waste precious autoattack time by chasing people.

The difference between AP Sivir and AD Sivir is that the former is a pure troll build, while the latter is legit and very viable as long as you don't pick Sivir in games where she gets fully denied during the laning phase (Cait + Janna for example should crush most Sivir + X lanes pretty badly). Not that this really matters in low lvl games though.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
September 02 2011 05:05 GMT
#116
Didnt want to necro this thread but appreciate the updated info, I rarely run sivir except for fun but I was curious on builds these days.
I have noticed people give me flack for when I do run her, yet I dont see how she is aweful either. Just a hated champ?
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 02 2011 05:18 GMT
#117
On September 02 2011 14:05 Synwave wrote:
Didnt want to necro this thread but appreciate the updated info, I rarely run sivir except for fun but I was curious on builds these days.
I have noticed people give me flack for when I do run her, yet I dont see how she is aweful either. Just a hated champ?

She's bad because her autoattack range is just terrible. In teamfights, she will be very very close to the enemy tanks and bruisers and she really doesn't have much in the form of escape.

Back in the day, sivir was considered top tier because of her insane ability to farm, and her bouncing shots which is just ridiculous when farmed. The difference was that Sivirs would tend to take a solo lane and her Q did more damage (less reduction per target) so it was completely possible for a good Sivir to be able to farm well no matter what matchup.

Now, with much stronger solo laners like Brand and Ori, she can't solo lane all that well. In the duo bot lane, many support+ad combos will wreck her due to her shitty autoattack range. Add on the Q nerf, which made it much much harder to ezmode farm with, she's just not that good anymore because her laning simply is subpar and she can't get the farm she needs to do well.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 02 2011 06:51 GMT
#118
Against good players her early game is complete shit because she can easily be zoned if you outrange her/dodge her mana inefficient Q. If you can get past early game with decent farm you can farm like hell forcing your opponent to spend time killing creeps instead of you.

She has great damage output but because of her short range your positioning has to be perfect in team fights otherwise 1 mistake can cost you your life.
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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 07:14:23
September 02 2011 07:13 GMT
#119
?

Good Sivir is still a fine solo. She shits on most AP heroes because they can't combo her (though I wouldn't recommend sending her solo top).

Also, don't get Atmog's on Sivir. She's not a tanky dps, you shouldn't be putting yourself in a situation where you're getting hit so much that you need a Warmog's worth of HP.

EDIT: One more thing: if your opponent has so much longer range than you that you're having trouble competing in lane, max W instead of Q and just force them to take little bits of damage every time they go for CS.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
September 02 2011 09:22 GMT
#120
On September 02 2011 16:13 arnath wrote:
EDIT: One more thing: if your opponent has so much longer range than you that you're having trouble competing in lane, max W instead of Q and just force them to take little bits of damage every time they go for CS.


Problem with that is you'll be pushing the lane, just for the sake of doing a little bit of damage to an enemy that has a superior range to you, which sort of leaves you in a tough spot.
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