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On September 16 2011 09:44 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 09:33 cagedknight wrote:On September 16 2011 07:01 TheYango wrote:On September 16 2011 05:55 cagedknight wrote:
The build works for me more than bloodthirsters, give it a try or don't, either way's fine with me. I do like Last Whisper over Youmou's in some situations, but I don't like getting bloodthirsters. They require you to hold farm which you won't be able to do if you're split pushing. What? Split pushing is one of the best ways to get Bloodthirster stacks. You're only going to lose stacks split-pushing if you're bad at it and get caught. No matter how good you are at split pushing, you will get caught. I'm just going to say again, it really doesn't matter to me if you want to build bloodthirsters or not, I don't and it works for me, which is what I put in my original post. Not true at all. R is a brilliant escape mechanism, if you've got TP or ghost as a second summoner spell you're still fine, and to some extent exhaust.... and lets not forget flash. You're saying 'look just listen to me' but you're not actually listening to other people. You really shouldnt be happy with yourself if you get caught split pushing as sivir with R or summoners up.
They won't be up if you use R to take down the turret or Teleport to get into a minion wave. I never said you had to listen to me either, It's just that I stated the reason why I do everything the way I do. If it's "wrong" at high elo, or if bloodthirsters are technically better, it doesn't matter to me because I found success with the build I put forward.
If you have a different build you want to share, please do, I'd love to give it a try 
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Yeah, the build is called stack a couple bloodthirsters. If you used your TP to get to the tower then you still have flash and Spell shield, and maybe not the best choice to use R if you knew you were gonna need it to escape.
But whatevs, if you want to play suicide sivir then that's fine, but i'd recommend swapping revive in for flash. Imo there are better ways to play her though, which still kill towers just fine, but you actually survive after getting a tower (which isn't that hard with her kit). If 1 comes to stop you when you've got BT's going you should probably be able to take them, if they send 2 you should be able to escape with summoners or ultimate, if they send 3+ then you're likely to get killed, but while that's happening call for your team to do something important (Push two towers, baron, dragon etc).
I used to play sivir like you, then I got better with her and found out once I learnt to position myself better, and have better map awareness then BT became by far the best way to go.
Edit: it's not even anything to do with high elo either, at low elo it should be even easier to avoid dying (and keeping up those BT stacks). It's just what makes sense.
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On September 16 2011 10:29 Dgiese wrote:
Yeah, the build is called stack a couple bloodthirsters. If you used your TP to get to the tower then you still have flash and Spell shield, and maybe not the best choice to use R if you knew you were gonna need it to escape.
But whatevs, if you want to play suicide sivir then that's fine, but i'd recommend swapping revive in for flash. Imo there are better ways to play her though, which still kill towers just fine, but you actually survive after getting a tower (which isn't that hard with her kit). If 1 comes to stop you when you've got BT's going you should probably be able to take them, if they send 2 you should be able to escape with summoners or ultimate, if they send 3+ then you're likely to get killed, but while that's happening call for your team to do something important (Push two towers, baron, dragon etc).
I used to play sivir like you, then I got better with her and found out once I learnt to position myself better, and have better map awareness then BT became by far the best way to go.
Edit: it's not even anything to do with high elo either, at low elo it should be even easier to avoid dying (and keeping up those BT stacks). It's just what makes sense.
I find that even if you keep the stacks, they aren't worth it because it takes longer to buy them. I like getting cheaper items and being stronger early on, so that I don't have to wait until 50 minutes with 300+ CS in order to kill things. If it goes to late game I will usually have the gold available to switch after my build is full, but rushing and stacking bloodthirsters is not fun
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On September 16 2011 10:35 cagedknight wrote:
I find that even if you keep the stacks, they aren't worth it because it takes longer to buy them. I like getting cheaper items and being stronger early on, so that I don't have to wait until 50 minutes with 300+ CS in order to kill things. If it goes to late game I will usually have the gold available to switch after my build is full, but rushing and stacking bloodthirsters is not fun
Welcome to playing AD carries.
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On September 16 2011 10:35 cagedknight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:29 Dgiese wrote:
Yeah, the build is called stack a couple bloodthirsters. If you used your TP to get to the tower then you still have flash and Spell shield, and maybe not the best choice to use R if you knew you were gonna need it to escape.
But whatevs, if you want to play suicide sivir then that's fine, but i'd recommend swapping revive in for flash. Imo there are better ways to play her though, which still kill towers just fine, but you actually survive after getting a tower (which isn't that hard with her kit). If 1 comes to stop you when you've got BT's going you should probably be able to take them, if they send 2 you should be able to escape with summoners or ultimate, if they send 3+ then you're likely to get killed, but while that's happening call for your team to do something important (Push two towers, baron, dragon etc).
I used to play sivir like you, then I got better with her and found out once I learnt to position myself better, and have better map awareness then BT became by far the best way to go.
Edit: it's not even anything to do with high elo either, at low elo it should be even easier to avoid dying (and keeping up those BT stacks). It's just what makes sense. I find that even if you keep the stacks, they aren't worth it because it takes longer to buy them. I like getting cheaper items and being stronger early on, so that I don't have to wait until 50 minutes with 300+ CS in order to kill things. If it goes to late game I will usually have the gold available to switch after my build is full, but rushing and stacking bloodthirsters is not fun
But the thing about Sivir is that she gets gold so quickly because she is a farming beast. 300 cs by 50 mins is ridiculously low. I know it was just an estimate, but 200 by 20 and 300 by 300 are the kind of numbers you should be aiming for on Sivir.
Seriously, Sivir is not a character that you need to be a jew on, farming is what she was made for.
BT is only 3k. It's already cheaper than IE which most other ranged carries rely on. A black cleaver is omething like 2.8k, so its barely any extra to get a BT. The wriggles in your build doesn't seem to make a tonne of sense either... it's only delaying your first BF sword, the whole school of thought with wriggles on ranged AD is wriggles, OR DBlades, not both. Try cutting out one from your build, i suggest wrigglees (because she doesn't benefit from the pushing power as[ect of wriggles as much as other carries do).
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Has anyone else been playing Sivir since the remake? I'm 23-1 in ranked with her since the remake (from like 1370 back to 1640). Her kite and mobility are absolutely ridiculous and her team fights are in my opinion the strongest of any ranged AD. Having her and GP on your team especially makes team fights instawins as your team runs circles around their team with huge AD and AS steroids.
I've been playing her in a duo lane mainly with an offensive support, being especially aggressive in the first few levels as your Q does HUGE damage. I start D-blade, then go wriggles and zerkers, getting more d-blades if I need them. From there, I get a BT, then get situational items from there. If I feel confident in my kite and my survivability, I get two phantom dancers and finish with a defensive item or an infinity. Otherwise, I sometimes get a bloodrazor if I am scared of their ADs jumping on me or they have a huge health tank like Volibear or Chogath. Other common items are wits end, frozen mallet, and last whisper. I run pretty standard AD runes (flat AD quint, ArPen reds, armor yellows, MR/lvl blues) and 21/9/0 masteries.
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On December 05 2011 12:07 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:Has anyone else been playing Sivir since the remake? I'm 18-1 in ranked with her since the remake (from like 1370 back to 1600). Her kite and mobility are absolutely ridiculous and her team fights are in my opinion the strongest of any ranged AD. Having her and GP on your team especially makes team fights instawins as your team runs circles around their team with huge AD and AS steroids. I've been playing her in a duo lane mainly with an offensive support, being especially aggressive in the first few levels as your Q does HUGE damage. I start D-blade, then go wriggles and zerkers, getting more d-blades if I need them. From there, I get a BT, then get situational items from there. If I feel confident in my kite and my survivability, I get two phantom dancers and finish with a defensive item or an infinity. Otherwise, I sometimes get a bloodrazor if I am scared of their ADs jumping on me or they have a huge health tank like Volibear or Chogath. Other common items are wits end, frozen mallet, and last whisper. I run pretty standard AD runes (flat AD quint, ArPen reds, armor yellows, MR/lvl blues) and 21/9/0 masteries.
Have you tried stuff like sheen-> trinity (finish sheen into trinity after ur first couple items) or manamune? I've building her more like them ezreals and urgots. Ofc I'm terrible at this game so it may be entirely stupid, but I wanna know what others' opinion is on those items.
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On December 05 2011 14:25 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 12:07 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:Has anyone else been playing Sivir since the remake? I'm 18-1 in ranked with her since the remake (from like 1370 back to 1600). Her kite and mobility are absolutely ridiculous and her team fights are in my opinion the strongest of any ranged AD. Having her and GP on your team especially makes team fights instawins as your team runs circles around their team with huge AD and AS steroids. I've been playing her in a duo lane mainly with an offensive support, being especially aggressive in the first few levels as your Q does HUGE damage. I start D-blade, then go wriggles and zerkers, getting more d-blades if I need them. From there, I get a BT, then get situational items from there. If I feel confident in my kite and my survivability, I get two phantom dancers and finish with a defensive item or an infinity. Otherwise, I sometimes get a bloodrazor if I am scared of their ADs jumping on me or they have a huge health tank like Volibear or Chogath. Other common items are wits end, frozen mallet, and last whisper. I run pretty standard AD runes (flat AD quint, ArPen reds, armor yellows, MR/lvl blues) and 21/9/0 masteries. Have you tried stuff like sheen-> trinity (finish sheen into trinity after ur first couple items) or manamune? I've building her more like them ezreals and urgots. Ofc I'm terrible at this game so it may be entirely stupid, but I wanna know what others' opinion is on those items.
i'd recommend sheen/trinity, def not manamune tho. A) sivir isn't exactly starved for mana for the vast majority of the game, and B) spellshield gives a fuckton of mana back to you. Tear just seems like a massive money dump for 0 gain. Trinity, on the other hand, is fucking amazing. I've been trying some bruta+sheen builds and have to say i like it. Dunno how much of a requirement bruta is tho.
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Lol you went 18-1 in 1350~1600 elo range? Dude I'm so jelly, the games I had with her when I was carrying like 8-1 k/d/a, I ended up losing. Maybe I'm still bad with her lol
But regardless she's my favorite ad ranged now. I just need to find a good build, so far I'm doing BT->Trinity, but the game doesn't always get that far. T.T
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yeah the manamune is just me loving to spam all my spells WAAAY too much. what about boots? Zerkers or CDR?
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I don't really think Sivir needs wriggles, her ability to farm is probably the best of all the AD carries, she can QW a wave at the tower to instantly clear it if need be. She's also difficult to harass and very hard to gank so she doesn't need the armor as much as some. Bloodthirster is still probably the best item on her especially since they increased the ratio on Q (assuming they haven't hotfixed it down).
In the few games I've played with her this patch I've gone R > Q > W > E, getting a point of E at 2, starting dorans and progressing into zerkers and BT, picking up IE, LW, and TF depending on the game. Last Whisper is a particularly strong item on her because she's going to be hitting tanks even if she doesn't want to.
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Played my first game with trinity sivir. I opted not to get brutalizer because I did not want to delay the burst trinity gave me, especially after getting wriggles first. It's definitely a different feel as your Q + W + auto burst is actually pretty ridic,
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Ok, so I posted this before the remake, but I think it still holds true. Sivir doesn't benefit very much from the wriggles; she already pushes fast enough, so that part is wasted. The extra survivability is moot as well, yes armor and life steal is nice, but every other build provides survivability (doran's blades / phage for triforce (never tried this build though) / lifesteal from BT).
At 1600 for wriggles, you could instead get a BF sword (1650), or Beserker greaves + 1/2 doran's or vamp (depending on if you started boots first), others serkers + doran + vamp + wards.
Personally the serkers + vamp + doran + wards sounds the most appealing, I still get life steal, I move even faster and attack even quicker (which helps me make the most of my passive), and I can ward while I push their shit in.
Because of the proc nerf on wriggles lessening it's dragon / baron control, the fact that Sivir doesn't need the proc in lane, the survivability it provides being comparable to other builds, I think wriggles is an inferior item choice.
What does interest me are the Triforce builds... that's not something I've tried on new sivir. I'm skeptical, but I'm willing to give it a go. I mean lots of it seems to make sense, it just depends on whether it's worth the cost compared to other options.
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I dont really notice any burst damage when going for trinity first.
I notice a huge dmg increase after phage (start blade>zerkers>phage) but not after trinity. It makes me feel like I need to go bf sword after phage.
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On December 05 2011 16:21 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:Played my first game with trinity sivir. I opted not to get brutalizer because I did not want to delay the burst trinity gave me, especially after getting wriggles first. It's definitely a different feel as your Q + W + auto burst is actually pretty ridic,
When I looked at this picture, all I saw was a junglewick fail lol.
I do want to try Trinity on her. What pieces are people building first?
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Phage first makes the most sense. The slow synergizes perfectly with your passive and the modest survivibility increase is nice too.
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On December 08 2011 07:45 STS17 wrote:
Phage first makes the most sense. The slow synergizes perfectly with your passive and the modest survivibility increase is nice too.
really? i'd expect sheen to do really well tho... Q+auto+W+auto does ridic damage even without sheen proc. grabbing sheen basically adds an additional auto into your combo
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On December 08 2011 07:59 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 07:45 STS17 wrote:
Phage first makes the most sense. The slow synergizes perfectly with your passive and the modest survivibility increase is nice too. really? i'd expect sheen to do really well tho... Q+auto+W+auto does ridic damage even without sheen proc. grabbing sheen basically adds an additional auto into your combo
Sheen is based on base damage though. If you get it first your base damage isn't very high. Phage -> Sheen is probably more damage and survivability. Combined with the slow could net you a kill.
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I'd get sheen first though cus you get mana starved at the early phase of the game I believe + harder harrass on your lane (I haven't played Sivir yet, sorry. This is based off other peoples feedbacks)
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On December 08 2011 08:28 RogerX wrote:
I'd get sheen first though cus you get mana starved at the early phase of the game I believe + harder harrass on your lane (I haven't played Sivir yet, sorry. This is based off other peoples feedbacks)
Why are you mana starved? You should just be last hitting until a kill is lined up.
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