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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
August 17 2011 18:37 GMT
#161
But the point is, most of the heroes that solo top nowadays also don't ever have to go back (e.g., Udyr, Morde, Garen, Lee Sin, etc). You can't just nerf Nidalee's sustain because it happens to be a heal, ignore all the other ludicrous sustain skills/items, and expect her to still be useful.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 17 2011 18:40 GMT
#162
With the exception of LS they're all ridiculously gankable though.
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
August 17 2011 20:19 GMT
#163
with the upcoming patch that will buff Nidalee, will Nashor's Tooth be a good item for her?
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 17 2011 20:20 GMT
#164
No
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 20:25:11
August 17 2011 20:22 GMT
#165
On August 18 2011 05:19 broz0rs wrote:
with the upcoming patch that will buff Nidalee, will Nashor's Tooth be a good item for her?

No. I'll just stick to normal AP carry build with some CDR spec.

@Arnath: Dunno I'll think she'll still be able to top.
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KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
August 17 2011 20:41 GMT
#166
On August 18 2011 03:14 arnath wrote:
My point is this: without her crazy lane sustain, how is she going to lane top versus virtually any currently popular solo top? They almost doubled the mana cost of heal at max level and nearly halved the AP ratio.

I agree I want her to be more of a carry than she is now and nerfing the heal will eventually pave the way for that, but this seems like they're going to pull a "last patch Pantheon" where they strictly make him worse and then are like "try him and see how we can make him better".


This. Her heal is what makes her in the late game, since you want here to be in the back launching javs and healing teammates. when eveything goes to shit you pop into cougar and clean up.

Honestly I don't think her heal is that op early game, maybe when she start rolling with ap but I feel everything scales pretty well unless she gets fed, in which case she should be op.
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klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
August 17 2011 21:27 GMT
#167
heal nerf hurts.

but a CDR'd pounce will do wonders for sheen damage.

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 21:35:54
August 17 2011 21:34 GMT
#168
On August 18 2011 05:41 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
This. Her heal is what makes her in the late game, since you want here to be in the back launching javs and healing teammates. when eveything goes to shit you pop into cougar and clean up.

This is exactly what they want to get at. They want her whole kit to be useful in teamfights, not just have half of it be for cleanup duty. And for that to work they need to even out the powerlevel of her entire kit, since so much of it is centered in the power of her healing right now.

It'll probably mean that she'll suck nuts for a few patches, and when they're done, she probably won't play anything like she does now.
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Redlol
Profile Joined June 2010
United States181 Posts
August 17 2011 21:48 GMT
#169
We might see Hotshot's old tanky Nidalee style make a comeback, Nidalee is my most played, probably by 100+ games over anything else, and there used to be a fairly common style that relied on Frozen Heart that Hotshot especially used to use. It was like Sheen > Glacial Shroud > Some AP > Frozen Heart. Most games would be over around the Sheen + Glacial Shroud stage, but these days where people farm straight through to 20+ minutes pretty commonly, I don't know if it would be as effective as it was way back then.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 17 2011 22:35 GMT
#170
Just in case you haven't noticed: Nidalee got a HUGE buff recently. Her traps now actually cut the enemy AR and MR by 40%. FOURTY PERCENT. Before any APen/MPen or even flat reduction is applied.
Hit that thing on the enemy (insert tanky DPS/anti carry) and watch him die in 2 seconds.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#171
But now it doesn't reveal wards. I'd call that a nerf.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 22:52:25
August 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#172
HS did the frozen heart build at dreamhack, he owned with it unsurprisingly

he could probably build malady rylais and win with nid
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klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
August 17 2011 23:10 GMT
#173
On August 18 2011 07:51 HazMat wrote:
But now it doesn't reveal wards. I'd call that a nerf.


oh my god is that why i sat there for like 4 cooldowns worth trapping the shit out of the same spot and finding nothing
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
August 17 2011 23:22 GMT
#174
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holydog
Profile Joined September 2010
131 Posts
August 22 2011 10:19 GMT
#175
Riot offically made supports bad at supporting.

Im starting to lose faith in the riot balance team....
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 22 2011 10:54 GMT
#176
in the patch preview soraka didnt have that awful long cast time on starfall (or starcall ?)

TANK AP SORAKA INCOMING
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 22 2011 17:43 GMT
#177
Just thought I'd mention - I've never seen hotshot build GRB on nidalee, which seems to be a mainstay item that everyone else builds. I know it's easy to keep 8 stacks on GRB with pounce, but is it even worth it considering that you're not going to be running around autoattacking in the middle of teamfights? He seems to get DRing - Mercs - Glacial Shroud - (some ap) - Frozen Heart into another tanky item and finally Deathcap....
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
August 22 2011 17:50 GMT
#178
On August 23 2011 02:43 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Just thought I'd mention - I've never seen hotshot build GRB on nidalee, which seems to be a mainstay item that everyone else builds. I know it's easy to keep 8 stacks on GRB with pounce, but is it even worth it considering that you're not going to be running around autoattacking in the middle of teamfights? He seems to get DRing - Mercs - Glacial Shroud - (some ap) - Frozen Heart into another tanky item and finally Deathcap....


http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/tournament-nidalee-96037

He used to run GRB for a pretty long time. GRB is more like the agressive pushing build where as the deathcap rush is more mid/lategame orientated. He always runs deathcap in serious games now.
arthur
Profile Joined April 2009
United Kingdom488 Posts
August 22 2011 17:52 GMT
#179
On August 23 2011 02:43 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Just thought I'd mention - I've never seen hotshot build GRB on nidalee, which seems to be a mainstay item that everyone else builds. I know it's easy to keep 8 stacks on GRB with pounce, but is it even worth it considering that you're not going to be running around autoattacking in the middle of teamfights? He seems to get DRing - Mercs - Glacial Shroud - (some ap) - Frozen Heart into another tanky item and finally Deathcap....


Guinsoos is worth it in normals.
Guinsoos is not worth it in ranked.

Guinsoos is for trolling and raping face, and hard.

However, trolling and raping face with Nidalee is very risky business, and should be avoided in ranked games.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 22 2011 18:45 GMT
#180
Guinsoos is a great midgame damage item for when you know you will be able to use the damage to beast over your lane opponent and do it for cheap. There really isnt a point to getting it in a competitive game since a good player will be able to minimize risk and prevent kills.

As for the heal, ITS STILL A FREAKIN HEAL. That means that Nid will gain health without having to wait around, hit minions, or expose herself to any risk whatsoever. Plus, the nerf to her early game really is fairly negligible. You lose 10 hp at level 1 and 5 at level 2, by level 3 you are normal and 4 is actually BETTER. Mana cost is offset by the javelin decrease, and just playing slightly smarter. So no, I think she is still going to be fine solo top.
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