EPT[Champion] Nidalee - Page 8
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Riku
United States1064 Posts
Lich Bane. It's a good Nidalee weapon, but... well, I hate it! Someone please remind me it's wonderful so I don't cringe every time I buy Sheen. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Happy Frog
Australia490 Posts
Nidalee * Javelin Toss ** Mana Cost reduced to 50/60/70/80/90 from 60/70/80/90/100 ** Cooldown reduced to 6 from 7 * Pounce ** May now be affected by cooldown reduction ** Cooldown increased to 3.5 from 3 * Primal Surge ** Mana cost changed to 60/80/100/120/140 ** Base heal changed to 50/85/120/155/190 from 60/90/120/150/180 ** AP ratio reduced to 0.7 from 1.25 * Swipe AP ratio increased to 0.4 from 0.2 * Aspect of the Cougar now grants 10/15/20 Armor and Magic Resist instead of 10% Dodge * General ** Cleaned up a lot of Nidalee's tooltips, especially Cougar form Pretty brutal hit to heal but some potentially nice buffs (2 second pounce? yes please). Will reserve judgement till it goes live. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
I'll update the op when the final changes hit~ | ||
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Wala.Revolution
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I don't think this will make her sustain leave the ranks of lanewick or laneudyr. | ||
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Deranes
Germany75 Posts
I do think that the heal nerf is going to make early game Nidalee(pre-cat) play more passive since you'll run out of mana fast if you're too aggressive. Going to make an already boring lane way more boring.(I'm talking about 1v2 top since that's what I'm usually up against in lvl 30 normals). But yeah the nerf is probably needed beacuse her sustain in lane is very good right now and those lategame heals feel OP as hell when harassing team vs team and you just heal 60% of someones health everytime heal is of cd. I would like to know what cooldownreduction item(s) you're thinking about buying and after/before which item. I'm thinking morello's evil tome as your first or second item after boots(the other item being guinsoo's rage blade) the order depending on how your lane played out before you went to buy. A second cdr item will have to be thought out for those time you cant get bluebuff. Edit: You might want to edit OP as, if I'm not wrong. bushwack doesn't unstealth wards anymore. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
that cdr on nidalee's spear sounds really annoying lategame if it goes through | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
Heal is WAAAYYYY worse than before. 20 armor/MR is more or less the same as 10% dodge, especially considering Nimbleness. Pounce CDR is nice but the average Nidalee build didn't have THAT much CDR by any means (at best maybe CDR blues). Swipe AP ratio is nice but you're still going to get fucked up the ass if you try to Cougar form in team fights. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 17 2011 17:02 arnath wrote: Uh ... maybe I'm missing something but isn't this just strictly worse than before? Heal is WAAAYYYY worse than before. 20 armor/MR is more or less the same as 10% dodge, especially considering Nimbleness. Pounce CDR is nice but the average Nidalee build didn't have THAT much CDR by any means (at best maybe CDR blues). Swipe AP ratio is nice but you're still going to get fucked up the ass if you try to Cougar form in team fights. Ya it's a nerf but I'm just glad she'll be more fun to play. I'm sure Hotshot is supa mad though. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
and changes to pounce will make it stronger with cdr ofc even-ish change imo if not a net positive considering that other heals are gonna get weakened making nidalee spears potentially super obnoxious-er than usual | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 17 2011 16:36 Deranes wrote: 2 second pounce will be very nice! Not just for the extra movespeed, but for the time reduced waiting on the cooldown so you can make a walljump. I know you Nidalee players have had the situation where you have 2-5 champions behind you and you have to stand looking at a wall for 1½ seconds because you made a jump a second ago to avoid a charge/stun etc. I do think that the heal nerf is going to make early game Nidalee(pre-cat) play more passive since you'll run out of mana fast if you're too aggressive. Going to make an already boring lane way more boring.(I'm talking about 1v2 top since that's what I'm usually up against in lvl 30 normals). But yeah the nerf is probably needed beacuse her sustain in lane is very good right now and those lategame heals feel OP as hell when harassing team vs team and you just heal 60% of someones health everytime heal is of cd. I would like to know what cooldownreduction item(s) you're thinking about buying and after/before which item. I'm thinking morello's evil tome as your first or second item after boots(the other item being guinsoo's rage blade) the order depending on how your lane played out before you went to buy. A second cdr item will have to be thought out for those time you cant get bluebuff. Edit: You might want to edit OP as, if I'm not wrong. bushwack doesn't unstealth wards anymore. Yeah like I said, this thread is outdated and I'll update it when these changes take place. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 17 2011 17:02 arnath wrote: Uh ... maybe I'm missing something but isn't this just strictly worse than before? Heal is WAAAYYYY worse than before. 20 armor/MR is more or less the same as 10% dodge, especially considering Nimbleness. Pounce CDR is nice but the average Nidalee build didn't have THAT much CDR by any means (at best maybe CDR blues). Swipe AP ratio is nice but you're still going to get fucked up the ass if you try to Cougar form in team fights. Nidalee often hogs blue buff. With just that she already has a lower cooldown on pounce. 20 AR/MR is way worse for Nid than 10% dodge because the Nimbleness procs are important for her ridiculous escapes. That javelin... | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On August 17 2011 18:10 spinesheath wrote: 20 AR/MR is way worse for Nid than 10% dodge because the Nimbleness procs are important for her ridiculous escapes. I was literally just going to say that when I read this lol. It's the only change I really think is wrong. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
 . Love hotshotgg's guide for it.doran's ring, sorc boots (or merc treads), guinsoos, rabadons (if getting fed or farming a lot) otherwise get lichbane first, then a defensive item or voidstaff. Nidalee is prolly my favorite champion, although she has the most skills of any champion, her cougar abilities are pretty simple to do, Just spam qwe over and over. Skill progression, get 1 point in everything, (jav first), max heal first, then jav. tips: Use cougar form to go everywhere! Use W,E,Q for maximum damage against champions. Always be farming! Put traps EVERYWHERE When there's a teamfight about to happen, always poke with javelin until the teamfight starts. Always be healing! Heal priorities: Yourself, carry's, tanks. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
I agree I want her to be more of a carry than she is now and nerfing the heal will eventually pave the way for that, but this seems like they're going to pull a "last patch Pantheon" where they strictly make him worse and then are like "try him and see how we can make him better". | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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