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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On September 16 2011 09:47 TheYango wrote: To be fair, Riot DID want Nidalee to use Cougar form more in fights, and this change does just that. Is her damage output even relevant enough in teamfights though? I've never seen anyone go tank nid since the changes, and I've watched hotshot build her RoA -> Frozen Heart -> Deathcap multiple times on stream since then. | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On September 16 2011 09:57 HyperionDreamer wrote: Is her damage output even relevant enough in teamfights though? Yes. | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
I really feel like mastering a cool, unique champ and I am still struggling which one it should be. Is Nidalee still a force to be reckoned with? | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On September 21 2011 16:52 Shiv. wrote: So how good is Nidalee these days? How do you build her, especially concerning runes and masteries? I figured, RoA -> Deathcap is the way to go these days, maybe throw in a frozen heart (I've seen HSGG both get it and skip it multiple times). I really feel like mastering a cool, unique champ and I am still struggling which one it should be. Is Nidalee still a force to be reckoned with? Yes. The way I used to play her, 2 years ago, was sheen opening, into tanky dps. Viable early items: Glacial shield, FoN, Trinity force. Mid items: Atmas, BV, Sunfire, Frozen Heart. Late items: Hextech Gunblade, Warmogs, Rylais, frozen mallet. Core items: Trinity force, glacial sheild, shoes. And I've gone back to doing this after the heals to her nerf, and now her pounce has been reverted (almost) to how it used to be, and being doing really well. Just master her pounce, push every lane, gank every lane, put traps everywhere and play easy. | ||
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ddod
Bulgaria144 Posts
DAT SPEAR! NERF! | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Also, can you direct cast them on an enemy champion like a spell? | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On October 18 2011 11:50 obesechicken13 wrote: Does nidalee have infinite bushwacks? They last 3 minutes though unlike teemoshrooms TT Also, can you direct cast them on an enemy champion like a spell? They actually last 4 minutes, and you can't directly cast them on a champion. If you place it on the ground below them, it takes a second or two before it can activate. | ||
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
Hotshot opens Mana Crystal/2 Pots. Some people still open Doran's Others open Boots/3pots Some people go Warmogs->Atma's->Veil/FrozenHeart Others go: RoA->Deathcap I've personally had more success with RoA/Deathcap because I'm a blue-whore and like spamming Javs (brooms). My runes are a mixed bag too. I generally go ArPen reds/Armor Yellows, but haven't found what I like yet because I'm still not sure what the hell the optimal route is anymore. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Conversely, the mana cost on E scales obscenely high so it's much better to just leave it at low level and stack a bunch of AP. It's still got 0.7AP ratio so with runes, Dring and revolver you're looking at around 100 heals for 60 mana, which is not bad at all. Her cougar spells don't cost mana which means if you have spell vamp you can pounce and swipe creeps for free sustain as well. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On October 21 2011 03:12 Juicyfruit wrote: Wota Deathcap max Q da best. It's hilarious when you can spear a minion at max range and heal off more than with your actual heal. Conversely, the mana cost on E scales obscenely high so it's much better to just leave it at low level and stack a bunch of AP. It's still got 0.7AP ratio so with runes, Dring and revolver you're looking at around 100 heals for 60 mana, which is not bad at all. Her cougar spells don't cost mana which means if you have spell vamp you can pounce and swipe creeps for free sustain as well. Actually even with no AP whatsoever E gets more mana efficient as you level it. Cursory math shows that you should probably level it to 2 or 3 before you hit 6 as that's when you make the largest efficiency gains by ranking. Since you're not going to be landing spears early in lane there's not really a point to going strictly Q>E. Spear doesn't become as efficient a source of healing as E until WotA is finished, but yes for trading hits in a tower siege that's still really good. Cougar form spell vamp is free, yes, but is AoE and gets AoE penalty and in my experience just doesn't actually do that much. On October 30 2011 09:39 obesechicken13 wrote: I had some trouble landing nidalee spears against bots recently. I was thinking of a deathfire and morellos build where I maxed cooldowns and got decent AP and mana regen early, and then just poked people during the teamfight stage so I could force a member on the enemy team back with my 3.6 cd spears, every few seconds leading to a 4v5. But those bots don't hang out around towers like people do and they stand really close to their creeps -_- If you need CDR on spear nid you get blue buff. Taking blue buff is easy with Nidalee after level 6 and is a lot cheaper than spending 5k gold on mana regen/CDR items you don't need. If blue isn't available enough the standard spear nid build is RoA->Deathcap. Even without blue buff this is superior for sieges because it's more mana efficient (each spear does more damage) and mana > mana regen unless your blue pill button is broken. A lot of newbies fall into this trap with casters where they think they need to max their CDR with items. There are very few casters in the game where a CDR AP item is desirable (Veigar/Xerath), and even fewer who max CDR without blue buff on purpose (Ryze). Finally, bots don't play like people. Consider any skill you might learn killing bots to be akin to being able to fart a national anthem musically. Fun, but not something to worry about. | ||
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
Twice now I've seen HotshotGG go AD Nidalee when he decides he has had enough of noobs and wants to get a quick win. He absolutely dominates these games. They haven't lasted over 30 mins, and both times he just shits on solotop chars like Irelia and Cho. ArPen Quints/Reds Split Armor & Dodge yellows (no idea why) Flat CDR Blues Boots/3 HP Wriggles 1-2 Doran's Swords Brutalizer Rageblade (WTF?) He just goes nuts. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 24 2011 01:59 Thereisnosaurus wrote: To any experienced nidalee players out there, I've come up against malz in a solo lane twice now, and both times I got crushed despite playing very conservatively. Is there any advice you have for laning vs a malzahar? don't let him constantly push you with huge waves, just keep autoattacking from level one on and don't really go super aggressive on him. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
eleisa's, boots of swiftness, triforce. movespeed quints + masteries ofc. you heard it here first folks. | ||
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