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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 15 2011 15:22 GMT
#121
Almost every AP item works on Kennen depending on the matchup. Sometimes you go sorc/guise and start wrecking everyone with shuriken pokes early on. Sometimes you need giant's belt early to win your lane so you build rylais. Sometimes your best contribution could be to cause enemy teams to split so you build rylais + hourglass + negatron and you can force squishies to split up from their tanks.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
April 15 2011 16:38 GMT
#122
What about Hextech revolver with the new 20% spell vamp, sort of a catalyst for Kennen? Or useless?
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 02:57:35
April 16 2011 02:47 GMT
#123
I am playing suicidal Kennen, with boots->cap rush->sorc boots->hourglass/Voidstaff vs. heavy tanks. and hope in team fights that i can hit 3+ people with my Ult+e+w combo to deal heavy dmg, and my team mates clean up the rest :D. That's the fun of playing Kennen. I'd rather dish out as much dmg as I can before I die, a < 50 % HP Kennen with low Energy in the center of a teamfight is useless anyway :D. Even with Hourglass, competent players will silence Kennen and everyone will kill u in a teamfight before u can even stasis, so why not w8 for everyone to fight and try to hit as much as possible .


On April 16 2011 01:38 -Kato- wrote:
What about Hextech revolver with the new 20% spell vamp, sort of a catalyst for Kennen? Or useless?


Bad idea, as it delays Kennen's core items and doesn't provide sufficient AP for teambattles.
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 03:46:35
April 16 2011 03:41 GMT
#124
If Kennen gets focused while in pikachu mode he's deceptively tanky.

Right now Kennen should be maxing R>Q>E>W.

W is a really bad spell because it really doesn't add enough damage, whereas the extra tankiness and mobility from maxing E earlier helps a lot.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 07:51:36
April 16 2011 07:50 GMT
#125
I was thinking of picking kennen up just because the revolver buff (when it actually happens) seems like it would bring the old unbeatable lane kennen back... eat_mi is probably right though, how can you delay rylai's?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 14:28:22
April 16 2011 14:27 GMT
#126
On April 16 2011 12:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
If Kennen gets focused while in pikachu mode he's deceptively tanky.

Right now Kennen should be maxing R>Q>E>W.

W is a really bad spell because it really doesn't add enough damage, whereas the extra tankiness and mobility from maxing E earlier helps a lot.


Really ? :/ I was Playing R>Q>E/W before the nerf and also R>W>E>Q. With Q what u only can do is poke, in a teamfight it is just a bad spell IMO, since it drains ur energy to get out of the center of the fight and is not reliable enough to hit someone, since it's oftentimes very hard to have a clear path between u and their low HP carry. Therefore it's only good for 1vs1 battles/chasing and poking.

That is why I'm still playing R>W>E>Q, because it's actually more dmg that u deal during a fight, and it is more reliable + better for farming. With Q 1st u need Rylais to clear a wave, with W 1st u can do it earlier and much more easier.

I agree that Kennen is more tanky in pikachu mode ;D , but still once focused, he's dead very fast.
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
April 17 2011 13:05 GMT
#127
^

You have discovered a whole new Kennen for me I love you, 1 point in Q then R>W>E>Q, real AoE boss now.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
April 17 2011 14:07 GMT
#128
NOT maxing q first seems a bit questionable to me seeing as how q (from my experience with kennen) is how he exerts the vast majority of his lane dominance. Sure, you may theoretically be able to farm faster with maxing w/e first, but no opponent in their right mind is just gonna let you lightning rush thru his creeps without making you seriously pay for it
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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
April 17 2011 23:38 GMT
#129
As I see it, maxing Q is how you can deal most damage, if you manage to hit with it that is. Its not easy when they are standing behind their minions, or plain dodging them. Maxing W and E also reduces the cooldown on those abilities (Q already has a lowish CD), and R>W hurts much more with W maxed than with Q maxed.

Maybe im just bad and can't hit Q's, but I feel its much easier to Q people later in the game rather than in lane phase.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 18 2011 00:43 GMT
#130
Hitting Q is fundamental to playing Kennen, lol, and it scales really well with AP for a 3-second cooldown spell.
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 15:09:03
April 18 2011 15:00 GMT
#131
On April 17 2011 22:05 -Kato- wrote:
^

You have discovered a whole new Kennen for me I love you, 1 point in Q then R>W>E>Q, real AoE boss now.


Actually that was before the Mark nerf, try R>E>W>Q you are even more tanky with E and it deals more dmg than W. For noob stomping purposes u can go blue elixir + 6 hp pots then boots + Meija , -> sorcs > Cap rush Thats hilarious if u snowball :D , i just got 28-0 with it and 850 AP in around 33 minutes.

For real games though, try to be more cautious and only rush with E only if u know u can kill/or have a good chance to kill them. Thats all. To play Kennen, with E + W max first it will be just easier not only because of more AOE but also because of the easy farming combo. If you want to try my Kennen build pm me , I am not as bad as my ELO says , just trolling much
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
April 18 2011 15:06 GMT
#132
On April 17 2011 23:07 barbsq wrote:
NOT maxing q first seems a bit questionable to me seeing as how q (from my experience with kennen) is how he exerts the vast majority of his lane dominance. Sure, you may theoretically be able to farm faster with maxing w/e first, but no opponent in their right mind is just gonna let you lightning rush thru his creeps without making you seriously pay for it


It's actually easier to get lane dominance with W + E , because E gives MR and W passive is instant mark and W is 100% hit. You don't even need to aim. Even if you skill Q max , you do the Q -> W combo in lane to get dominace, but it does only a little more damage than W passive -> W, but in comparision is much more difficult to pull of.
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 18 2011 15:55 GMT
#133
Meh, yeah with W you can do more chip damage but you'll be surpassed in burst really fast and they'll really just trade hits with you everytime you go up to apply W passive.

When I max Q, sometimes hitting a single Q at level 9 can win you the lane because Q -> [stall] -> W -> flash -> R (first tick stuns) -> Q -> E -> autattacks -> Q is a stupid amount of burst.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 18 2011 17:13 GMT
#134
I'm not sold on maxing E before W. Kennen with W>E becomes a beast farmer/pusher. IMO he needs those levels in W to flash farm midgame so he can participate in important teamfights/skirmishes instead of afk farming (since his lategame potential isn't as great as other carries). E doesn't give that much armor/mr... you don't become some super tank midgame if you max that (especially if you're going for a build like 2 NRL into Zhonya + Deathcap).
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
April 18 2011 17:52 GMT
#135
On April 19 2011 02:13 ArC_man wrote:
I'm not sold on maxing E before W. Kennen with W>E becomes a beast farmer/pusher. IMO he needs those levels in W to flash farm midgame so he can participate in important teamfights/skirmishes instead of afk farming (since his lategame potential isn't as great as other carries). E doesn't give that much armor/mr... you don't become some super tank midgame if you max that (especially if you're going for a build like 2 NRL into Zhonya + Deathcap).


But what's the difference between E and W in farming ? You need E to tag them all then W. Both are AOE and E does more dmg than W (base, AP ratio in mid game about the same) . So i think E > W is better.
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 18 2011 18:29 GMT
#136
Fyi, E only does half-damage to minions.
eaT_Mi_Lquid
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany509 Posts
April 18 2011 19:19 GMT
#137
LOL my bad, last time i check his E i thought they've changed it to 100% dmg to minions xD and i tried E max first LOL. well back to R>W>E>Q
League of Legends: Puffelipuff
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
May 19 2011 16:13 GMT
#138
I've been playing some AD Kennen in normal games and I've been dominating. Why is he not used much? If you look at him only from the AD perspective, he has a little less range than Ashe, but tons and tons of utility.

AS reds and quints, 2dblades>IE, and then an AS item. You have an escape, Q helps u stun and hit early, and your W will make u stun like crazy. Use ult only for protection, assassin jumping onto you? Ult and kill him while he gets stunned 80 times (or more).

His abilities dont scale with AD, but... stuns, stuns everywhere.

So, why is he bad?
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
May 19 2011 16:27 GMT
#139
Because his 'steroid' is weak and Ashe has one of the best ultimates in the game, a free clairvoyance, and doesn't have to expose herself for her utility.
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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
May 19 2011 16:56 GMT
#140
Ok, he isn't Ashe. And offensively he should be worse than other ranged carries. But in soloqueue, where more often than not your tank and support are chasing that Singed and leaving you alone, I find Kennen has the upperhand. So I feel he is a good "defensive" ranged carry. Obviously you want your carry to be the best offensively as it can, but in soloqueue I think you need that 1v1 strength.

My question is, is he viable? Why do I do much better with AD Kennen than with Ashe, Trist Corki... etc. Maybe I just suck at AD carries.
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