EPTDoes a crapton of damage to their team, while also having pretty good single target damage. Hurricane with BotRK is just nutters.
[Champion] Teemo - Page 21
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Does a crapton of damage to their team, while also having pretty good single target damage. Hurricane with BotRK is just nutters. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Core of Nashor's + Liandry's + whatever boots, generally either Tabi or Merc's as I prefer a bit of defense over the Sorc's, though I'd probably sell to get the extra mpen later on if need be. I'll pick up Seeker's/Zhonya if it's a more difficult AD lane and Wit's for AP, but if neither are necessary I go for a DC. I've been considering Rylai's as an item, as it turns your Q into a pretty potent tool, but I've never really gotten that far into a game with Teemo yet. Of course, if worse comes to worst and I get hard counterpicked or something, I can always switch into Tankmo and go FMallet/BorK :D | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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StarStruck
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 21 2013 00:40 Jek wrote: Teemo with new Nashtor's is such a beast, I just come from a game where I soloed baron 34 minutes in with AP Teemo. The hamster assassin looks quite viable now. Yeah, I'm seeing him a whole lot more that's for sure and he is pretty beastily as long as you are a really good zoner. | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
What does Teemo counter / what counters Teemo? For example saw Darius and was like, okay Teemo owns melee right? But then that didn't really work out. Is it because I suck with Teemo or am I actually godlike but Darius is secret Teemo hardcounter? Quick search through this thread and couldn't find recent info on matchups besides vlad who I never see  Help pls Edit: Nvm found a little info was ctrl-fing for the wrong word  but still what's the verdict vs common top laners, esp AP ones like Kennen? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Example: vs Darius, auto him a bit, if he manages to grab you, you then blind him, hit W, back off and once you have created a gap, harass him even more relentlessly (because he can't grab you anymore) - you really can't sit around and let him hit you - if you do, he'll just dunk you. He has problems against mages (blind doesn't do anything) and though he can 1v1 another ranged autoattacker, if they have skill combos (eg. Doran's blade kennens) that are more influential to a duel than your blind, then you're in trouble. Teemo works against darius but you need to not get dunked in an all-in. At 6, you use your shrooms to turn your lane into a permenant 1v1 in a (hopefully) winning matchup. Pretty sure kennen would walk all over teemo. You can match his autos with your charged W->skills, you actually outrange him a little bit, and you're ALSO a devil rat yordle like he is. | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
On July 19 2013 03:30 Mauzel wrote: Hey guys 2 questions: What does Teemo counter / what counters Teemo? For example saw Darius and was like, okay Teemo owns melee right? But then that didn't really work out. Is it because I suck with Teemo or am I actually godlike but Darius is secret Teemo hardcounter? Quick search through this thread and couldn't find recent info on matchups besides vlad who I never see Help pls Edit: Nvm found a little info was ctrl-fing for the wrong word but still what's the verdict vs common top laners, esp AP ones like Kennen?darius counters teemo because his pull is the same range as teemos auto (i think) | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 14 2013 03:08 zer0das wrote: My personal favorite Teemo build is BotRK, Hurricane, Frozen Mallet, Deathcap, Liandry's. Does a crapton of damage to their team, while also having pretty good single target damage. Hurricane with BotRK is just nutters. Mmhmm mmhmmm... build checks out... wait a minute? Why deathcap when you only have one other AP item? :p Shouldn't that be a void staff or something? | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
On July 19 2013 13:45 GolemMadness wrote: The problem with Teemo vs Darius is that his grab outranges your auto attacks, and is very close to your Q. You can still beat him though; you can harass him with your Q since it does barely outrange his grab, and you can try to bait out his grab and then harass him while it's on CD. Teemo can do well against melee champions like Darius and Singed as long as you don't make mistakes. That's basically the common rule of playing teemo top in most matchups. One mistake and you're dead and will probably lose the lane. About what people posted before, I have no idea where you fit nashor in your build. The only way I can see it working is if you absolutely stomp your lane and go full splitpush. | ||
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benefluence
United States158 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
You just have to autoattack and dance around his grab range - you can outrun it because of the animation About what people posted before, I have no idea where you fit nashor in your build. The only way I can see it working is if you absolutely stomp your lane and go full splitpush. My usual "go to" teemo build is: 2 dorans blades sorc boots morello (rarely athene) nash tooth those 2 can be exchanged possibly also a bit delayed liandries the last 2 items depend a bit what I want dcap/zhonya/void are the most common items the 2 massive cdr items and some manaregen from morello are obviously only needed/useful if you do not get the bluebuff - if you get it you can remove any manaregen/additional cdr item from your build Edit: Nvm found a little info was ctrl-fing for the wrong word but still what's the verdict vs common top laners, esp AP ones like Kennen? a lot of ranged champs beat teemo like kennen. The one ranged champ I completly stomped was lissandra - not sure if she missplayed or if the matchup really is good. There are some melee champs which can beat teemo - in general champs with great all in which dont depend on autoattacks - like a Jarvan Wukong or Zed. As said before most teemo matchups are really really snowball dependend if you make one mistake you might be fucked and go like 0-5 just because he has xp/gold advantage and can roll you over | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
I've been trying to get the hang of playing him by picking him for a bunch of games in a row and trying different builds than just the typical AP items + liandry's and void staff. I'd like to figure out how to make botrk+fmallet Teemo (into whatever is appropriate) work, but not much luck so far. Any tips on how the playstyle there differs from the standard AP teemo playstyle? AP Teemo seems to revolve heavily on harrassing your opponent early if possible and relying heavily on shrooms post-6 since you typically lose a hard engage if both of you are full health. Which is great and very effective, but I'd like to learn to play bruiser Teemo, and I see it work fairly regularly for high-elo players, I just haven't figured out when it's more appropriate. (Is it more of a per-matchup thing? Do you just split push more/trade more often?) One thing I've found very effective vs melee tops that have weak wave clear but strong all-ins (e.g. Jax, Wukong, Darius) is to go MS quints, max W first (W>E>Q), get 3 points in the move speed utility branch (I like 27/0/3) and rush Statikk Shiv. You use the move speed to harrass more frequently and more safely (the move speed *really* helps against Jax in particular), and once Shiv is finished I find that they can't even hold the tower since my power spike exploits both their wave clear and their vulnerability to harrass. (I think this won't do well against reliable engages like Maokai's or high-sustain champs like Vlad, you just don't punish them enough before they all-in or heal up.) Also, do people still use Nashor's? I've thought of taking the Shiv into a purely split push oriented build with maybe Liandry's and Ruunan's, but I'm actually not sure that it's even worth it, given that building straight AP allows you to push hard as well if you sacrifice shrooms for wave clear. But I'm pretty low elo, so what do I know. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/lol-strategy/430843-champion-teemo?page=6 It's still old though because everybody has given up on Teemo since the last mushroom nerf, the champ was already barely viable and he has been more than olaf'd (ap ratio halved + base damage reduced too if I recall correctly). He is without a doubt one if not the weakest champion in the game right now. Sorry for not giving much advice, the only barely viable build right now is full ad/as splitpush and it only works into lanes you are 100% guaranteed to win (aka not a lot of matchups at the moment LOL). Just do the standard split push stuff, ward their jungle, kite people, push towers when your team is fighting. The only reason this somehow works is because splitpushing is a very strong strategy in solo queue, but you could pick any other splitpushing champion and do better than with teemo (hint : nidalee). Also don't mix ad/ap builds. Either you go full ap (with nashor if you want to splitpush OR with liandries if you want to teamfight) or full ad/as (splitpush only). I would also never max W ever, max E if you want to have a shot at winning your lane. I will rant again (sorry ) and say I was diamond 1 with teemo S3 but the last shroom nerf really destroyed him. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
"more than olaf'd" "one of the weakest champions in the game" "only barely viable build" "only works into lanes you are 100% guaranteed to win" Hyperbole much? His win rate is still over 51%. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
Teemo is very far from being the weakest champion in league, even if we exclude the notoriously volatile Poppy, or the ever so outdated Urgot. Maybe you are one of the Teemo haters and that's why you would like newcomers to think he's not worth to pick up? I dunno, but Teemo is a very strong pick, and I feel like he always has been, at least since I'm playing (Lulu-patch). Not only he is a perfect example for lane counter - meaning that until the champions he counter are played, he can not be unviable -, he has a unique team utility through his shrooms. Even if you go the ad route, it only takes one liandry to make your mushrooms a real son of a bitch. You can also play him an ap nuker (insane damage, shroom damage is still a joke), ad heavy (for maximum toplane annihilation) or to be a tanky dude, who is hard to kill, but makes you bang your head into the nearest wall with his mallet-botrk build. But I've seen TRM win with seemingly the shittiest Teemo builds (dorans blades into rod of ages into botrk, WTF), so he is one of the few champions you can think when itemizing. Maybe there is a build or two you should highly consider following if you want to be challenger with him asap, but that's about it, nothing like "rush youmu/infi, other shits are not viable". Do you know who remains the sole champion in the game who has a point and click blind in this adc dominant meta? Teemo, and it has a reasonable range too, so it's not like you will die if you try to blind the enemy adc. Unless it's Trist, but then jokes on you for not banning her. Now, if you were to say Teemo is one of the worst champions when it comes to unexpected 5v5s, I might agree with you, but AP Teemo would like to disagree, so forget it. I don't see at all how is he even remotely close to being bad. He is hard to play, unlike some faceroll champions like Pantheon or Ryze, but that's about it. I got carried not once by good Teemo players, and I already won many games with a Teemo on my team who was 0-3 or something like that, but managed to come back. On the other hand, I managed to lost because our Nasus thought he will be very good with 900 stacks. Man, I wish we had a Teemo that game who at least splitpushes properly if he's not grouping with us. So yeah, I don't think you know what olaf'd means, so please, don't throw around the term like being olaf'd is a.) something very common b.) has even remotely relevant when we are discussing Teemo. As for The Rain Man, I'm not sure what the fuck was he doing on his main account; he was d1/challenger, but started goofing around and I even saw him in d5 a few months ago, but on his The Sun Man account he almost exclusively plays Teemo (d2 90 lp, without giving any fucks lately, he could easily reach d1)), and he had no trouble climbing the ranks with his usual weird ass builds. Ad, as/ad, as/ap, ap, tanky ad, tanky ap, ad/ap, everything, you name it. There were times I literally had to close his stream, because I refused to accept that you can constantly win with the most cancerous builds on this champion. This champion is fine, and probably the only toxic one (yorick, shaco, poppy, urgot...) who managed to avoid being gutted out. edit: nevermind, apparently you are not a hater, just bitter he doesn't massacre everyone anymore. gotta love those times... | ||
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