EPT[Champion] Kayle - Page 10
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Been averaging about 3/2/7, not a high score for a carry jungler, but still pretty good i suppose Edit (Feb 27th) I made a video guide of the Kayle jungle guide posted on the last page. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
My sustain was absolutely terrible. I didnt' gank much early on but I didn't get the chance to since bot pushed and mid had a morg and top was a 1v2 for our panth. I ended up 3/0/12 which is a decent score and I did a lot of AoE damage and got the enemy team to focus me in the end with my ult on. Wits end was my first big item. Ionic my second. I just don't think on-hit kayle is built for jungling. The sustain was terrible, I could have improved my sustain with two points in W but the lack of burst already felt like it hurt my ganks. I don't think on-hit kayle is a jungler. I have over 20 games by now as AD jungle kayle though. Her burst with Q is ok, but not as great as sion's. Her sustain is great with wriggles or 2 early points in W. Overall she's a decent jungler with decent ganks or clear speeds depending on whether you max Q or E. It may seem like you get 5 attacks every gank so you can always max E, but the burst really is important. She can't beat the top tier junglers in duels though so if she gets counterjungled she gets screwed. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle. | ||
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Veclada
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On January 27 2012 10:18 57 Corvette wrote: Been trying out Jungle kayle a bit in ranked (Gotta have a reason for using my battleborn skin <3 ) Been averaging about 3/2/7, not a high score for a carry jungler, but still pretty good i suppose Edit (Feb 27th) I made a video guide of the Kayle jungle guide posted on the last page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0imE8jcJ9U what runes and mastiers do you use? | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:11 Seuss wrote: I don't think Q's burst is worth losing out on the clearspeed, teamfight strength, and dueling power of E. Your counter-jungling woes are most likely the direct result of your decision to max Q first, as you're losing clear speed (making it easier for your camps to be stolen) and dueling capability (since duels against other junglers are less about burst and more about slugging it out). I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle. Kayle's counterjungling woes are a matter of fact, not discussion. I have maxed E before and died to lee sins with lvl3 while I was lvl 2, and they had half my life D: Kayle's a bad duelist. She's probably better than all the AD when she maxes E, close to graves and urgot, but she's still considered half ranged in terms of scalability. | ||
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koreasilver
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 07 2012 10:52 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Kayle's counterjungling woes are a matter of fact, not discussion. I have maxed E before and died to lee sins with lvl3 while I was lvl 2, and they had half my life D: Kayle's a bad duelist. She's probably better than all the AD when she maxes E, close to graves and urgot, but she's still considered half ranged in terms of scalability. It perplexes me that you'd lose to Lee Sin in the situation you described, because I've been in similar ones with the opposite result. She's not the best duelist, but in my experience she's not so weak that she'll lose to a level 2 Lee Sin with half her health unless you're both low and he gets the jump on you or has your red buff. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 07 2012 14:21 Seuss wrote: It perplexes me that you'd lose to Lee Sin in the situation you described, because I've been in similar ones with the opposite result. She's not the best duelist, but in my experience she's not so weak that she'll lose to a level 2 Lee Sin with half her health unless you're both low and he gets the jump on you or has your red buff. Yeah he had my red buff >.< Dick got it before I could smite it. Technically I'd have been stealing it from him, but it was my red. | ||
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koreasilver
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
 I don't think she's a good jungle though, and I've been meaning to try her top but I'm afraid that champions with gap closers like irelia and renekton can beat her. I wouldn't run her bot because she pushes too much but yeah.. I have no problems with AD kayle. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 10 2012 17:38 nosliw wrote: what's wrong with pushing bot lanes? opponent loses CS to tower, and you can go take double golems or wolves. I don't like getting ganked D: You need a ward at mid and far in your river to push safely, and a double death in bot lane can become unsalvageable leaving the enemy team with a farmed AD carry, and your team without. Perhaps I should rely on my allies more to ward mid. | ||
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Akinokaze
Australia326 Posts
AD: Good if you're farmed, but using E in order to do it safely pushes your lane. AP: Scaling on Q is good, but W rather meh and E requires some AS to make use of. Support: Heal is terribly mana inefficient but has a decent poke. Could be good against low sustain supports (i.e not Soraka or Sona). Jungle: Good clear speed and ganks but weak to counter-jungling as Hidden mentioned. Top: Works well if it turns into a farm fest. R+W let's you escape in case you've pushed a bit too far. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Was wondering if anyone knew. Does Kayle's splash damage that scales off her AD do physical or magic damage? I assume it's magic but I can't be sure. I'll probably do the tests myself when I have the chance. | ||
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
I will try to link this Korean gosu Kayle's build that has gotten a lot of thumbs up | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 15 2012 22:16 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I'm still trying to make kayle work. Was wondering if anyone knew. Does Kayle's splash damage that scales off her AD do physical or magic damage? I assume it's magic but I can't be sure. I'll probably do the tests myself when I have the chance. The splash itself is a percentage of your AD plus the magic damage, I'm pretty sure. It's best to build her focusing around AD and AS, almost entirely revolving around the crazy range and damage that E gives you. She's strong at top against melee champions that don't have very good gap closers and lack a very long ranged skill. I've had a lot of success with her against Shens and Warwicks but had a pretty awful experience against a Renekton. You beat Irelia early but if you fail to put her significantly behind then she starts to just kill you lvl 7-9, which is a pretty common scenario with a lot of champions. | ||
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nosliw
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