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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 26 2012 17:32 GMT
#181
Here's the relevant thread: http://leagueofreplays.com/redpost.php?postid=19975845&lang=US#19975845
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 21:39:55
January 27 2012 01:18 GMT
#182
Been trying out Jungle kayle a bit in ranked (Gotta have a reason for using my battleborn skin <3 )
Been averaging about 3/2/7, not a high score for a carry jungler, but still pretty good i suppose

Edit (Feb 27th) I made a video guide of the Kayle jungle guide posted on the last page.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 06 2012 21:32 GMT
#183
Just tried a jungle kayle on hit game duo queue normals. Normals have been much easier since ranked. I started vamp scepter and then went a second vamp scepter with 21/0/9 masteries. I forgot to change them to 0/21/9.

My sustain was absolutely terrible. I didnt' gank much early on but I didn't get the chance to since bot pushed and mid had a morg and top was a 1v2 for our panth. I ended up 3/0/12 which is a decent score and I did a lot of AoE damage and got the enemy team to focus me in the end with my ult on. Wits end was my first big item. Ionic my second. I just don't think on-hit kayle is built for jungling. The sustain was terrible, I could have improved my sustain with two points in W but the lack of burst already felt like it hurt my ganks.

I don't think on-hit kayle is a jungler. I have over 20 games by now as AD jungle kayle though. Her burst with Q is ok, but not as great as sion's. Her sustain is great with wriggles or 2 early points in W. Overall she's a decent jungler with decent ganks or clear speeds depending on whether you max Q or E. It may seem like you get 5 attacks every gank so you can always max E, but the burst really is important. She can't beat the top tier junglers in duels though so if she gets counterjungled she gets screwed.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 06 2012 21:58 GMT
#184
Ehh... I think she'll do best mid to counter certain AP carries.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 06 2012 23:11 GMT
#185
I don't think Q's burst is worth losing out on the clearspeed, teamfight strength, and dueling power of E. Your counter-jungling woes are most likely the direct result of your decision to max Q first, as you're losing clear speed (making it easier for your camps to be stolen) and dueling capability (since duels against other junglers are less about burst and more about slugging it out).

I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
March 07 2012 01:43 GMT
#186
On January 27 2012 10:18 57 Corvette wrote:
Been trying out Jungle kayle a bit in ranked (Gotta have a reason for using my battleborn skin <3 )
Been averaging about 3/2/7, not a high score for a carry jungler, but still pretty good i suppose

Edit (Feb 27th) I made a video guide of the Kayle jungle guide posted on the last page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0imE8jcJ9U

what runes and mastiers do you use?
asdfg
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 01:55:47
March 07 2012 01:52 GMT
#187
On March 07 2012 08:11 Seuss wrote:
I don't think Q's burst is worth losing out on the clearspeed, teamfight strength, and dueling power of E. Your counter-jungling woes are most likely the direct result of your decision to max Q first, as you're losing clear speed (making it easier for your camps to be stolen) and dueling capability (since duels against other junglers are less about burst and more about slugging it out).

I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle.

Kayle's counterjungling woes are a matter of fact, not discussion. I have maxed E before and died to lee sins with lvl3 while I was lvl 2, and they had half my life D:
Kayle's a bad duelist. She's probably better than all the AD when she maxes E, close to graves and urgot, but she's still considered half ranged in terms of scalability.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 07 2012 03:04 GMT
#188
I've been trying solo top Kayle against melee champs that don't really have strong gap closers and I've been having some success with it. I feel like it works more because it's a usually unexpected pick rather than because it's actually strong though.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 07 2012 05:21 GMT
#189
On March 07 2012 10:52 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 08:11 Seuss wrote:
I don't think Q's burst is worth losing out on the clearspeed, teamfight strength, and dueling power of E. Your counter-jungling woes are most likely the direct result of your decision to max Q first, as you're losing clear speed (making it easier for your camps to be stolen) and dueling capability (since duels against other junglers are less about burst and more about slugging it out).

I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle.

Kayle's counterjungling woes are a matter of fact, not discussion. I have maxed E before and died to lee sins with lvl3 while I was lvl 2, and they had half my life D:
Kayle's a bad duelist. She's probably better than all the AD when she maxes E, close to graves and urgot, but she's still considered half ranged in terms of scalability.


It perplexes me that you'd lose to Lee Sin in the situation you described, because I've been in similar ones with the opposite result. She's not the best duelist, but in my experience she's not so weak that she'll lose to a level 2 Lee Sin with half her health unless you're both low and he gets the jump on you or has your red buff.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 11:22:21
March 07 2012 11:19 GMT
#190
On March 07 2012 14:21 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 10:52 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:11 Seuss wrote:
I don't think Q's burst is worth losing out on the clearspeed, teamfight strength, and dueling power of E. Your counter-jungling woes are most likely the direct result of your decision to max Q first, as you're losing clear speed (making it easier for your camps to be stolen) and dueling capability (since duels against other junglers are less about burst and more about slugging it out).

I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle.

Kayle's counterjungling woes are a matter of fact, not discussion. I have maxed E before and died to lee sins with lvl3 while I was lvl 2, and they had half my life D:
Kayle's a bad duelist. She's probably better than all the AD when she maxes E, close to graves and urgot, but she's still considered half ranged in terms of scalability.


It perplexes me that you'd lose to Lee Sin in the situation you described, because I've been in similar ones with the opposite result. She's not the best duelist, but in my experience she's not so weak that she'll lose to a level 2 Lee Sin with half her health unless you're both low and he gets the jump on you or has your red buff.

Yeah he had my red buff >.<
Dick got it before I could smite it.

Technically I'd have been stealing it from him, but it was my red.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 03:02:54
March 08 2012 03:01 GMT
#191
I've been having a lot of success playing Kayle against Shen lately. I've won my lane every single time I've had the matchup. You can easily harass him out of lane since your E has longer range than his Q, and if you keep your distance correctly he can't dash onto you with his taunt either. It's been my go-to pick whenever the enemy team first picks Shen. I'm starting to think that Kayle actually can be a strong top lane pick against certain champions, but I'm still figuring it out. I've been having a lot of fun with him this week.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 10 2012 08:11 GMT
#192
with current patch and meta, besides a AD or AP carry, can kayle pretty much do support, jungle, or top?
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:36:33
March 10 2012 08:35 GMT
#193
Yeah she can. I think she can be an AD carry too. She has a .4AD scaling on her E, which means 40% more damage in a splash area (but don't tell anyone.. shhh...) and her shield protects her from nocturne/irelia dives really well. Also good for baiting ults

I don't think she's a good jungle though, and I've been meaning to try her top but I'm afraid that champions with gap closers like irelia and renekton can beat her.

I wouldn't run her bot because she pushes too much but yeah.. I have no problems with AD kayle.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 10 2012 08:38 GMT
#194
what's wrong with pushing bot lanes? opponent loses CS to tower, and you can go take double golems or wolves.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:42:23
March 10 2012 08:42 GMT
#195
On March 10 2012 17:38 nosliw wrote:
what's wrong with pushing bot lanes? opponent loses CS to tower, and you can go take double golems or wolves.

I don't like getting ganked D:
You need a ward at mid and far in your river to push safely, and a double death in bot lane can become unsalvageable leaving the enemy team with a farmed AD carry, and your team without. Perhaps I should rely on my allies more to ward mid.
Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia326 Posts
March 10 2012 08:50 GMT
#196
Kayle is pretty much a jack of all trades, master of none and can run in any position. I think top suits her most though as she doesn't particularly have any strengths nor weaknesses in other roles.

AD: Good if you're farmed, but using E in order to do it safely pushes your lane.
AP: Scaling on Q is good, but W rather meh and E requires some AS to make use of.
Support: Heal is terribly mana inefficient but has a decent poke. Could be good against low sustain supports (i.e not Soraka or Sona).
Jungle: Good clear speed and ganks but weak to counter-jungling as Hidden mentioned.
Top: Works well if it turns into a farm fest. R+W let's you escape in case you've pushed a bit too far.
In the Emperor we trust
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 15 2012 13:16 GMT
#197
I'm still trying to make kayle work.

Was wondering if anyone knew. Does Kayle's splash damage that scales off her AD do physical or magic damage? I assume it's magic but I can't be sure. I'll probably do the tests myself when I have the chance.
ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
March 15 2012 14:15 GMT
#198
gotta go full out atk speed on kayle...
I will try to link this Korean gosu Kayle's build that has gotten a lot of thumbs up
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 16:27:34
March 15 2012 16:21 GMT
#199
On March 15 2012 22:16 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I'm still trying to make kayle work.

Was wondering if anyone knew. Does Kayle's splash damage that scales off her AD do physical or magic damage? I assume it's magic but I can't be sure. I'll probably do the tests myself when I have the chance.

The splash itself is a percentage of your AD plus the magic damage, I'm pretty sure. It's best to build her focusing around AD and AS, almost entirely revolving around the crazy range and damage that E gives you. She's strong at top against melee champions that don't have very good gap closers and lack a very long ranged skill. I've had a lot of success with her against Shens and Warwicks but had a pretty awful experience against a Renekton. You beat Irelia early but if you fail to put her significantly behind then she starts to just kill you lvl 7-9, which is a pretty common scenario with a lot of champions.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 15 2012 16:24 GMT
#200
but is the damage considered physical or magical? Like how poppy's Q convert's everything into magical damage, is it the same with kayle?
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