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crazedrat
Profile Joined July 2015
272 Posts
August 20 2015 05:59 GMT
#61
Very cool. I hope there are server-wide tournaments as well as MMR targetted tournaments.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10667 Posts
August 20 2015 06:04 GMT
#62
oh my god I just want to play it.
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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 06:46:23
August 20 2015 06:31 GMT
#63
25 mins is short.. i got a lot of 30min games.. tho i think a good side to this is force players to get action for points
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LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
August 20 2015 06:59 GMT
#64
I'm so hyped for that. It's gonna be awesome !

For a diamond player like me, there's finally something else to play for than ladder points ! I hope we get bo3/bo5 series as well, so it's worth it to train different builds and adapt to your opponent and it's not just another set of bo1. Still, I'm incredibly hyped for that !! It's gonna be awesome !

As for the details of how they implemented it, I'm trusting Blizz. They probably have a reason as to why they did it like that, and if their implementation has major flaws they'll change/adjust things.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 20 2015 07:19 GMT
#65
This is really cool. My favorite part of LOTV
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 20 2015 07:24 GMT
#66
On August 20 2015 15:31 shin_toss wrote:
25 mins is short.. i got a lot of 30min games.. tho i think a good side to this is force players to get action for points


25 minute game in lotv is different than 25 minute game in hots
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Libe91
Profile Joined August 2015
France16 Posts
August 20 2015 07:53 GMT
#67
Unfortunatly i wont have time to play 90 minutes during the week, and 4 hours the week end is not better...
But any way if i ever find some time i'll try, sounds like fun.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 20 2015 08:02 GMT
#68
25 min might be to low though, maybe 35 is better. It should ensure the tournament runs relatively smoothly but without making players feel time pressured when playing.
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swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
August 20 2015 08:13 GMT
#69
This game is fun as is. Why ruin it by adding tournaments where hackers win? All the finals are probably gonna be hacker vs hacker.
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
August 20 2015 08:20 GMT
#70
On August 20 2015 05:24 Silvana wrote:
OMG I always thought that all the hype about this Automated Tournaments thing was about doing tournaments with your friends, not random people... I'm so out of the LotV loop!


That is actually a very good point! Could be nice to be able to join a tournament as a group.
Sure one could argue that this would allow for too much communication / tips and so on, but I'd rather see the bright side!

On August 20 2015 17:13 swag_bro wrote:
This game is fun as is. Why ruin it by adding tournaments where hackers win? All the finals are probably gonna be hacker vs hacker.


If that really become the case, then it would be easy to have automated ban list!
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
August 20 2015 08:40 GMT
#71
Indeed, the potential of joining a tournament with friends should be taken into account by Blizzard.
The only problem I see with that is the "level pairing" if you and your friends have a significant level difference: do you make the whole group join a tournament at level of their worst player, best player or an hypothetical group average ?

My personnal position is to have the group join the tournament at the level of their best player. This will avoid having master players in the lower level tournaments. The only downside of it could be that some of the master players in the tournament would face a lower level player in their first round, thus effectively having a "free win" in the first round. But I think this would be better than having master players farming the bronze to dia tournaments.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
August 20 2015 08:41 GMT
#72
On August 20 2015 17:02 Sapphire.lux wrote:
25 min might be to low though, maybe 35 is better. It should ensure the tournament runs relatively smoothly but without making players feel time pressured when playing.

Yeah, but that is something that can be changed if it becomes a problem.

Overall really nice, I like it.
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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 08:52:34
August 20 2015 08:52 GMT
#73
On August 20 2015 05:26 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 05:17 FLuE wrote:
On August 20 2015 05:12 hitpoint wrote:
Each match in a tournament is currently limited to 25 minutes. This would equate roughly to a 35-minute game in Heart of the Swarm due to the game-clock changes in Legacy of the Void. If the game reaches the 25-minute limit, victory will be awarded to the player who has the highest experience point value. Experience is accrued throughout the game by earning money, constructing units, destroying units, etc.


Really dislike this. I can see so many people getting a loss for games they were going to win. Hope they find a better solution than exp points..


Do you pay attention to scores? How often are you up in points and lose? I know people will always figure out a way to work the system, but the reality is for the most part, the person who is going to win has the most points. And if you notice someone is trying to just turtle up and win then you can do the same thing and at that point it almost becomes a coin toss.

The time limit is needed. I don't want to enter a tournament and then have to wait an hour to play the next game because two players are sitting around doing nothing, or even worse both just leave for some reason. I'm sure when they picked the time limit they had data to look at the average length of a game which is probably in the 10-20 minute range and then added a few minutes to that so essentially only a higher sliver of games will end up in a draw anyway. I can say so far playing Beta with all the new units and ways to make things happen having games go longer than 25 minutes isn't very common.


I don't know how the WC3 system worked but I don't remember having to wait too long. Granted, that was over 12 or 13 years ago.


WC3 Tournament games ended after 30 ingame minutes and were then determined by game score. I felt that system worked quite well and the tournaments ran very smoothly. So I'm looking forward for LotV tournaments.
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LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
August 20 2015 09:39 GMT
#74
On August 20 2015 17:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
Indeed, the potential of joining a tournament with friends should be taken into account by Blizzard.
The only problem I see with that is the "level pairing" if you and your friends have a significant level difference: do you make the whole group join a tournament at level of their worst player, best player or an hypothetical group average ?

My personnal position is to have the group join the tournament at the level of their best player. This will avoid having master players in the lower level tournaments. The only downside of it could be that some of the master players in the tournament would face a lower level player in their first round, thus effectively having a "free win" in the first round. But I think this would be better than having master players farming the bronze to dia tournaments.


I'm gonna quote myself to expand even further on that idea:
Now that Blizz' is considering adding automated tournaments, it would be nice to have the possibility to organize your own tournaments with friends. Imagine being able to easily organise a in-clan tournament ? Or just a small tournament with 3 friends, without requiring other tools than the game itelf (binary beast for bracket, skype for vetos, etc) ? That would be sick. And since Blizz' has all the UI and functionalities designed for automated tournaments, I don't think it would be too much work.
SC2Duderino
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria13 Posts
August 20 2015 14:02 GMT
#75
Looks great!

I am trying to understand, will there be tournaments for all modes, or just 1v1? Would be nice to some 2v2 tournaments.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10045 Posts
August 20 2015 14:29 GMT
#76
On August 20 2015 14:56 paralleluniverse wrote:
The last 3 screenshots are extremely troubling.

Leagues. Why are they still here? Why are they associated with the tournament system? Why isn't this inaccurate and non-credible league system being replaced in LotV?

While the idea of using MMR for tournament matchmaking makes a lot of sense allowing everyone a chance at winning, more specifically you have a 1/16 chance of being randomly put in a group where you have the best performance, it risks becoming as meaningless as divisions. Congrats, you're the best out of 16 (or 100 in the case of divisions) arbitrary players. You could be the best because you played really well, or you could be the best due to the RNG putting you into a group where you have the most skill out of the 16 randomly chosen players.

Again, it's a good idea to have this mode that allows everyone a chance of winning. But it should also be supplemented with a WC3-style tournament system, where there is a 3.5 hour open queue phase, where anyone can face anyone, and then the top 16 with the highest levels (or points) in the tournament moves onto a 16 player bracket phase.

yeah you needed at least 6-1 in your record to advance to the next stage, i dont know if it was round or 16 though. There were also Random vs Random or mirror tournaments, super fun!
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
August 20 2015 14:49 GMT
#77
On August 20 2015 18:39 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 17:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
Indeed, the potential of joining a tournament with friends should be taken into account by Blizzard.
The only problem I see with that is the "level pairing" if you and your friends have a significant level difference: do you make the whole group join a tournament at level of their worst player, best player or an hypothetical group average ?

My personnal position is to have the group join the tournament at the level of their best player. This will avoid having master players in the lower level tournaments. The only downside of it could be that some of the master players in the tournament would face a lower level player in their first round, thus effectively having a "free win" in the first round. But I think this would be better than having master players farming the bronze to dia tournaments.


I'm gonna quote myself to expand even further on that idea:
Now that Blizz' is considering adding automated tournaments, it would be nice to have the possibility to organize your own tournaments with friends. Imagine being able to easily organise a in-clan tournament ? Or just a small tournament with 3 friends, without requiring other tools than the game itelf (binary beast for bracket, skype for vetos, etc) ? That would be sick. And since Blizz' has all the UI and functionalities designed for automated tournaments, I don't think it would be too much work.


This is what I meant, closed/private tournaments. Not joining a random tournament in mass. I wonder if it would be too much extra work to add this, and different types of tournaments or flexible settings to pick from :D
jedi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
United States172 Posts
August 20 2015 14:54 GMT
#78
I actually logged in to comment on this as I believe this is a huge feature that hopefully will be OVER utilized Great direction Blizzard
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
August 20 2015 15:08 GMT
#79
On August 20 2015 23:49 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 18:39 LoneYoShi wrote:
On August 20 2015 17:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
Indeed, the potential of joining a tournament with friends should be taken into account by Blizzard.
The only problem I see with that is the "level pairing" if you and your friends have a significant level difference: do you make the whole group join a tournament at level of their worst player, best player or an hypothetical group average ?

My personnal position is to have the group join the tournament at the level of their best player. This will avoid having master players in the lower level tournaments. The only downside of it could be that some of the master players in the tournament would face a lower level player in their first round, thus effectively having a "free win" in the first round. But I think this would be better than having master players farming the bronze to dia tournaments.


I'm gonna quote myself to expand even further on that idea:
Now that Blizz' is considering adding automated tournaments, it would be nice to have the possibility to organize your own tournaments with friends. Imagine being able to easily organise a in-clan tournament ? Or just a small tournament with 3 friends, without requiring other tools than the game itelf (binary beast for bracket, skype for vetos, etc) ? That would be sick. And since Blizz' has all the UI and functionalities designed for automated tournaments, I don't think it would be too much work.


This is what I meant, closed/private tournaments. Not joining a random tournament in mass. I wonder if it would be too much extra work to add this, and different types of tournaments or flexible settings to pick from :D

I like the idea of open tournaments with stranger as it gives you another way to enjoy sc2 than just random bo1 (ladder).
But I also agree with you that it would be extra nice to have the opportunity to create tournaments with friends as well. Since Blizz' already designed all the UI and the tournament system, I don't think it would be too much extra work.

In their message, they say they're still open to suggestions. Let's hope they see this ! Some kind of in-clan tournament could be good as well.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 20 2015 15:12 GMT
#80
I hope they include an option for bo3/bo5 matches.
Bo1 tournaments feel kinda lame tbh
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