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Patch 10.16: Live on Aug. 5, 2020
Team Fight Tactics Patch 10.16 Live on Aug. 5, 2020
Yone, The Unforgotten, will be released this patch. Check out these links to find out more about him:
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Wait... They buffed Yasuo? Why? I guess they just want him in pro play or something?
He's literally already balanced nearly perfectly at a high level. Even with the buff in pro play, doubt he'll be picked when teams can pick reliable lanes like TF or Galio. Just means Yasuo is going to ruin more solo queue games, from both good and bad Yasuo players alike.
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Half of me is sad they toned down the Trist buff but in the end I
Think it’s for the best it would have been absurd.
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Why not change nimbus cloak to be different for melee and ranged?
Like how conq is different etc..
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What is Lilia supposed to be? I played a few games as her and I still don't know why you'd want her in your team instead of some other jungler
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Germany4194 Posts
Her ult can create some surprisingly good engages, since it has a massive duration and slow. She runs around super fast in team fights and does burn damage, nothing crazy bursty though.
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She’s Singed if you buffed his clear speed
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On August 07 2020 02:53 Sent. wrote:
What is Lilia supposed to be? I played a few games as her and I still don't know why you'd want her in your team instead of some other jungler
LS and Dom were talking about it on their show and apparently the pros are split between "she's fucking awful garbage" and "she's so insanely busted its not even funny".
The "busted" crowd say she a ton of damage and no one can stick to her.
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yeah im leaning towards lillia being pretty busted.
shes capable of putting in decent damage but thats not what makes her good. its the fact that you can bait so many skills and waste so much time while enemies try to catch you.
obviously a player whos shit at dodging skillshots and plays at 50 ping isnt going to see the benefits of the ms boost as much as a good player with 10ms.
also the absolute most busted thing is the fact that she has like the biggest hard aoe cc. get a few stacks of ms, run at a team, flash into middle -> q -> r -> zhonya. 5 man sleep in a huge aoe.
once teams get enough practice with her im pretty sure shes gonna be a monster due to the coordinated teamfight ability she brings
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I’m not going to be able to play this weekend so I’m going to give my day 1 hot take of Yone. The champ is a significantly weaker laner than Yasuo and can’t get away with rushing 100% criti because of it. When people realize this and start going Bork first (which will also allow him to not go zerkers) his win rate will jump.
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Germany4194 Posts
Yeah, Lillia is very annoying in team fights because she's so damn hard to catch. She runs around with like 500 MS and can pick when she goes in, or just harass with Q. And the enemy team always has to be careful because her ult is basically a multi target Trouble Bubble/Morg ult which can solo win fights. She has a pretty low sample size in high MMR though, people aren't playing her much so it's hard to tell if she's busted.
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My feel for Lillia is that she is busted as hell if she gets rolling, and completely awful if she doesn't.
She's AP Jax, more or less. If she's big she's this unkillable big damage force wit that will run you down and kite you around while killing everything, and even if you outnumber her and cut her off you can't kill her. Then insult to injury is the multiplayer stun while she's hard dicking your whole team. If she is poor, she is this useless stunbot that can't get in range to use her stun without dying to collateral damage; more useless than a poor jax, imo, because you need to hit stuff to get stacks. She might be stronger than Jax when rich though, I'm not sure. I think it depends on comp a little bit too.
Also like Jax, she's kind of a "weak side" jungler, can't really 2v2 or 3v3 until you get RoA unless you have strong Lane matchups or a huge CC / mobility advantage. Kind of leaves you on the back foot and unable to properly influence lanes the way you want from a jungler. Can just end up with like an Elise or something hard winning all three lanes and snowballing the game before she gets to play. As such, much like Jax, I think she's better in lane at a high level / competitive game. Easier to get a good solo Lane matchup and babysit it than have her go head to head with something like a LeeSin, Elise, Olaf or a Reksai and try to match that game pace. Particularly since her ganks without R are some kind of awful, she's kind of regulated to making plays on that timer the same way Nocturne is.
All 6 Yone's I'vees seen have went legendary and hard carried, never played him yet, but the impression on my end would be that he is hella strong.
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I think he is strong but his lane phase is weak
I’m also in team busted for Lilia
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Kanavi is playing her right now vs OMG, granted after 6 jungle bans and a trundle take.
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Germany4194 Posts
From what I've seen so far, Yone has CC with very little counterplay. Essentially, someone on your team gets hit with his Q, and then he has the ability to use his almost instant knock up in a line. It's frustrating because it's an easier Yasuo Q knockup.
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Isn't Lilia's ult just better than Morg's in context because it's on a more mobile/survivable champion to stay in range, and a longer stun?
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Lillia doesn't have to stay in range to put her targets to sleep.
Morgana's ult has a slightly bigger effect radius than Lilia's Q (575/625 to 485). Other than that Lillia's ult seems better, unless you consider a longer sleep effect (2 / 2.5 / 3 seconds) to be worse than Morgana's 1.5s stun. Damage clears sleeps so you can start running after the first hit.
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Germany4194 Posts
Wait, that's how sleeps work? I did not know that, TIL
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No, just Lillia's sleep breaks on damage. But it also has a huge nuke on breaking sleeep too.
Her R is definitely stronger than Morg R.
Also, I played Master Yi with a Lulu mid on whim in solo queue... Jesus what a dumb Champion. I usually ban it every game, but had like 5 dodges in a row, and mid was autofilled and said he'd dodge if Yone and Yasuo weren't banned. Bot troll picked Kalista + Raka, but both had a low winrate, and then top first picked Maokai, so I figured we needed damage.The end of the game I literally dove a fed Heimerdinger + fed Kaisa with a Janna + Ornn for peel under nexus towers and 1v4'd. I was literally 0/5/1 at 15 minutes, behind the enemy Olaf by 50 CS, our team was down 8k gold, and still was able to hard carry despite having like maybe 5 games on Yi all time. One winning fight and it goes from a hard stomp one direction to a hard stomp the other direction. What a disgusting champion... Yi gets Bloodrazer and Rageblade and the game is over unless other team has like Malz R for lockup. You could get rid of his Q & R reset mechanic entirely and he'd still be incredibly busted. Just does so much damage, can't be CC'd, has the instant gap closer, biggest AS steroid in the game, the free hit passive as well as the E steroid / attack reset... all combines so that he has the highest damage scaling in the game by a factor of 2 or more along with relatively high base stats.
It makes it kind of frustrating that Riot took an interesting strategy like Funnel away from the masses because of how broken Yi is, instead of just nerfing or changing Yi to be less incredibly overwhelming with a small lead, let alone a big lead. I think it would have been really cool if something like Say Funnel Olaf or Twitch could have been allowed to be a strategy long term.
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The only other sleep in the game is Zoe's and according to this page it also breaks on damage.
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