Can anyone enlighten me when and on what champs its better to take PTA than Conquer? The latter looks just better on everything imo (talking about melee champs only)

AdsMoFro

Japan4761 Posts

March 14 2019 03:29 GMT

#45

On March 14 2019 08:54 M2 wrote:
Can anyone enlighten me when and on what champs its better to take PTA than Conquer? The latter looks just better on everything imo (talking about melee champs only)

PTA is a better burst rune. A lot of Renekton players play with PTA.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

March 18 2019 15:44 GMT

#46

I mean, PTA procs at 3 autos while conqueror procs after 5 attacks so obviously if you are just gonna combo someone e.g vs a ranged champion (with something like jax renekton) then PTA is better

conqueror better vs tanks or melees where you are fighting for a longer time

obviously procced conqueror is better than PTA 8% damage but you won't get procced conqueror hits in many matchups

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

March 18 2019 15:51 GMT

#47

Conqueror is surprisingly hard to proc on ranged ADC for most part of the game, PTA is so much better when you want to win lane. Only Draven really wants to get it, and I've seen people run PTA for the exact reason stated above.

Kayle is such a dumpster fire now. Before 16 she's trash tier in most lanes, and after that she solo wins games. So ironic a champ like this gets released this season, when the meta is heavily skewed towards early win conditions. Only place I've seen her do pretty well was as a support, but you need to pick her into favorable matchups.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

March 18 2019 16:38 GMT

#48

In soloq I've mostly been seeing her as a top lane who split pushes until somethting like trinity+rapidfire+IE and then comes to 1v9

for someone who's supposedly bad in lane I haven't been noticing her getting dumpstered at all, can usually push early then hold at tower and then later just farm up

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 18 2019 16:47 GMT

#49

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DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

March 18 2019 19:27 GMT

#50

Yeah, her design is so incredibly one dimensional, and what I would call not fun. Either you dumpster her or she dumpsters you. She could go 0/10 in the game, but if she makes it to lv 16, she's going to become a super hyper carry anyway. Carry comps have always been a thing, but it doesn't really matter if you get ahead with her early because she doesn't do anything???

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

March 19 2019 11:01 GMT

#51

She doesn't even dumpster you if things go well... I've played her a bit (around 50 games), and i had a few junglers put a ton of resources into me and get me ahead top lane. Like 4 kills and a 2 level lead. Idk... Even with a 2k gold lead and the level advantage you are still weak. You still can't really win fights.

And then you hit level 16 and you just kinda win. Or you dont and you just kinda lose. She is definitely a top, in my opinion. She feels good into tanks (sion / Mao / Cho / Poppy / Garen... I pooped all over a mundo one time but I only played the matchup once) and she does strangely well against Fiora. I think she kinda hard loses to lane bullies like Panth / Yas / Jayce / Riven. I had a Rango shit all over me too.

I think they need to swap her level 6 perk and her level 11 perk, would just allow you to smooth out her powercurve but keep the theme if at 6 you get range, and at 11 you get the flame. At which point you could nerf her level 16 a little bit, because honestly shes at a point right now where I feel like if you hit level 16 even if you are behind like 5k gold I also think she should get bonus on-hit damage to jungle creeps, but thats mostly just because I like the fantasy of her being a level 6 jungler... But that is probably not going to happen.

I like the fantasy, just... It is a little much compared to the rest of the roster. lol.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

March 19 2019 15:59 GMT

#52

Have anyone tried a fairly tanky/defensive Kayle build to let her get through her shitty early game more smoothly? I've seen Kayles completely dumpstered early take over games when she hit 16 despite being several 1000 behind anyway.

I kinda want to try her as support for a Spellthief Ezreal too, maybe with a supporty top or mid that'll be fine with sacrificing farm/solo EXP later for her. She synergize quite well with Ardent Censer.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

March 19 2019 19:10 GMT

#53

yea but if you are racing to 3 items buying a defensive item is only gonna slow things down you already have ult to keep you alive a bit longer lack of damage is the real issue

starkiller123

United States4030 Posts

March 19 2019 19:23 GMT

#54

On March 19 2019 20:01 iCanada wrote:
She doesn't even dumpster you if things go well... I've played her a bit (around 50 games), and i had a few junglers put a ton of resources into me and get me ahead top lane. Like 4 kills and a 2 level lead. Idk... Even with a 2k gold lead and the level advantage you are still weak. You still can't really win fights.

And then you hit level 16 and you just kinda win. Or you dont and you just kinda lose. She is definitely a top, in my opinion. She feels good into tanks (sion / Mao / Cho / Poppy / Garen... I pooped all over a mundo one time but I only played the matchup once) and she does strangely well against Fiora. I think she kinda hard loses to lane bullies like Panth / Yas / Jayce / Riven. I had a Rango shit all over me too.

I think they need to swap her level 6 perk and her level 11 perk, would just allow you to smooth out her powercurve but keep the theme if at 6 you get range, and at 11 you get the flame. At which point you could nerf her level 16 a little bit, because honestly shes at a point right now where I feel like if you hit level 16 even if you are behind like 5k gold I also think she should get bonus on-hit damage to jungle creeps, but thats mostly just because I like the fantasy of her being a level 6 jungler... But that is probably not going to happen.

I like the fantasy, just... It is a little much compared to the rest of the roster. lol.

yeah I played Rumble into Kayle a couple times and it is super easy to bully her off cs and bait out ult and then kill

AdsMoFro

Japan4761 Posts

March 19 2019 20:37 GMT

#55

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