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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 06 2019 21:57 GMT
#21
Kobe was complaining about it and put it perfectly imo. She’s like master yi, I fun for your team for 30 min and I fun for theirs after
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 06 2019 23:59 GMT
#22
Yeah.. new kayle seems to have the most extreme power curve LoL has ever seen.

Idk, i think she needs some series adjustments. I don't think she can survive lane vs meta champs, and i don't think she can impact the map for the first 15 minutes enough to not auto lose from the jungle.

I could see her being passable in a duo lane as an adc with a strong jungler and support pick vs a weak lane, but likr, even then that feels gross.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 07 2019 00:54 GMT
#23
Yup, feel like her only purpose could be as an ADC replacement. Can't see her surviving in solo lanes without stupid numbers.
Que Sera Sera
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 07 2019 04:28 GMT
#24
Maybe in pro, but I think in SoloQ you just need to queue with your jungler. Have them pitch a tent for a few minutes and accelerate your spike until it doesn't matter how shit your early game is. Or at least that's what happened against me and it worked swimmingly.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 07 2019 04:50 GMT
#25
On March 07 2019 13:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Maybe in pro, but I think in SoloQ you just need to queue with your jungler. Have them pitch a tent for a few minutes and accelerate your spike until it doesn't matter how shit your early game is. Or at least that's what happened against me and it worked swimmingly.


Reverse Taric-Yi strat? How's her jungle clear? Haven't tested it yet.
Que Sera Sera
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 07 2019 05:50 GMT
#26
I like the idea of more extreme scalers. I wish Trist would go back to that.
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 07 2019 06:20 GMT
#27
On March 07 2019 13:50 AdsMoFro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 13:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Maybe in pro, but I think in SoloQ you just need to queue with your jungler. Have them pitch a tent for a few minutes and accelerate your spike until it doesn't matter how shit your early game is. Or at least that's what happened against me and it worked swimmingly.


Reverse Taric-Yi strat? How's her jungle clear? Haven't tested it yet.


Its not good enough to succeed the map early game for so long at all. I'd compare it to volibear, but she's less healthy. Its really slow.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 07 2019 06:23 GMT
#28
What about her and Zilean? Especially in a less aggressive lane like vs Disadvantaged ADC and Kench? Idk. Seems like it should be possible somehow.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 07 2019 06:48 GMT
#29
To be honest I kinda agree with Clutz, why not have something different out of 130 champs
Carrilord has arrived.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-07 10:13:49
March 07 2019 10:13 GMT
#30
On March 07 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:
Yup, feel like her only purpose could be as an ADC replacement. Can't see her surviving in solo lanes without stupid numbers.

How would you farm in bot lane? You're melee and do nothing.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 07 2019 10:38 GMT
#31
On March 07 2019 19:13 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:
Yup, feel like her only purpose could be as an ADC replacement. Can't see her surviving in solo lanes without stupid numbers.

How would you farm in bot lane? You're melee and do nothing.


Poorly. But atleast if you have the right support matchup (say raka/janna into kench or something) maybe you can farm period. Idk, solo lane i think she just gets zoned and frozen on so easily, and then you have a jungler that can feast on this slow immobile squishy weak champ that is trying to stay in xp range.

Like who could she even not die to? Like... maybe morde? Maybe malz? Idk. Her lane opponent basically has to auto push for her to farm ever.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 07 2019 20:47 GMT
#32
On March 07 2019 19:38 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 19:13 Ansibled wrote:
On March 07 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:
Yup, feel like her only purpose could be as an ADC replacement. Can't see her surviving in solo lanes without stupid numbers.

How would you farm in bot lane? You're melee and do nothing.


Poorly. But atleast if you have the right support matchup (say raka/janna into kench or something) maybe you can farm period. Idk, solo lane i think she just gets zoned and frozen on so easily, and then you have a jungler that can feast on this slow immobile squishy weak champ that is trying to stay in xp range.

Like who could she even not die to? Like... maybe morde? Maybe malz? Idk. Her lane opponent basically has to auto push for her to farm ever.

I think the problem with putting her in a duo though is she's super level dependant, in addition to not having mobility.

Yasuo Irelia and a few others do fine because they have kill threat and good ways to farm without having to spend too much time in melee range.

Without kill threat and having to walk up to creeps to CS means she just gets straight bullied unless the enemy ADC and support can't threaten at all. Even tahm I think can threaten her unless her support can bully out the tahm and ADC.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 07 2019 20:49 GMT
#33
Yasuo is actually a very strong laner and has been the majority of his existence
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 08 2019 14:40 GMT
#34
On March 08 2019 05:49 Slusher wrote:
Yasuo is actually a very strong laner and has been the majority of his existence


For whatever reason, riot is 100% okay with a champion that has a way stronger laning phase than he should, and better scaling than 99% of the champions. Not only that, at the moment his items are pretty strong AND he has one of the most varied build paths of most champions. He has the diversity to pluck bruiser builds and AD Carry builds to abuse whatever's OP.
Que Sera Sera
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 08 2019 16:36 GMT
#35


There is a God.
Que Sera Sera
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 08 2019 17:34 GMT
#36
The Reddit thread on this gave me a nosebleed
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 18:58:28
March 08 2019 18:44 GMT
#37
Wait, they kept positional MMR? LOL.

So they didn't actually fix anything i was mad about, they just gave us a prettier sticker? Autofill players still won't care about the game because it will still have negligible lp impacts.

Positional MMR doesn't work with the amount of position bleed that with autofill.

And it still means i can't play Fill if i want to climb ever. But we also eliminate the potential for positional ranked rewards which woulda been cool as hell. It's the worst compromise because we get all of the same inputs and worthiness, we just get the ouputs obfuscated.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 19:55:35
March 08 2019 19:54 GMT
#38
Yes I don’t see how positional mmr can work without positional ranks? If you suck at say adc and get auto filled to adc either a) you face a +5 vs -20 lp game or b) you get +15 lp for just knowing how to right click vs. some plays once a month 4fun toddler. Neither scenario is ideal

On Reddit everyone is to busy sucking the guys dick who came up with position ranks so he doesn’t feel bad about having a paying job to ask any questions.
Carrilord has arrived.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
March 09 2019 08:18 GMT
#39
I guess at the very least people in promos who get autofilled will bear the risk of losing a game in promos if they troll. otherwise not much has changed really
TL/SKT
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 09 2019 08:39 GMT
#40
Thought you don't get autofilled in promos.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
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