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On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed.
Yes I do want to force people to play offrole.
On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up.
I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good.
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I do miss back in the day when everyone had a semblance of understanding of every role. So many players today have no idea about the game side from their own microcosm. Like, the are players that have never jungled once, and just don't understand how the role works, and it blows my mind.
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On January 19 2019 05:06 iCanada wrote:
I do miss back in the day when everyone had a semblance of understanding of every role. So many players today have no idea about the game side from their own microcosm. Like, the are players that have never jungled once, and just don't understand how the role works, and it blows my mind.
lul
i got to top 200 ladder rankings back in like season 2 with having never played adc/mid lane more than probably 10 times in ranked
if you were high pick you got your role or at least 2nd else you got support or asked for it if you didnt get your other roles. Most of the time you did have to play support you were last pick or close which meant you were the lowest elo on the team, so it was enough not to int to have an edge over the enemy team since they were also low elo and didn't want to support and a lot of them would tilt about it, trollpick or pick blitz (was super common for people who didn't want to support but blitz wasn't a "real support" so it helped their ego)
autofill system makes you play offroles way more than the old days
i'm way more versatile now than i ever was just dicking around in 5's playing other roles but I don't think it makes me a better player in general for having played other roles. all it does is make me better at playing those roles
the only time I ever improved significantly was by onetricking a champ/role for like 50 games minimum. Having a good streak of games on multiple champs just makes you feel more skilled because of the diverse ways you've won but it's just a lie.
like playing lanes as a jungler occasionally you can understand a lane matchup a bit more but probably won't help your jungling at all. Even if you know you'd have to gank to relieve pressure on a certain lane most of the time your decisions are limited by the same constraints so you wouldn't play much differently.
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On January 19 2019 04:35 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. Yes I do want to force people to play offrole. Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up. I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good.
"Griefing" in champ select forces you to play offrole so you should be a fan of that imo.
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On January 19 2019 04:35 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. Yes I do want to force people to play offrole. Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up. I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good.
out of interest, would you consider yourself to be a conservative or libertarian type person? (like right-wing)
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I don't think multiple lanes makes you a better player. I just think it makes you a beer teammate because you better understand people's goals.
Maybe at diamond you get more off role then previous, but down here i get jungle like 99% of the time.
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That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight.
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On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight.
Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now?
The current system allows for both specialists and off role players to shine, hence I don't understand the change. If you are a god midlaner, you win a lot of games, and your inability to play other roles pulls you down to reality. If you're good at the game in general, you have smaller highs but fewer lows. With the proposed system, the specialist's lows are punished far less, while the general player gets... No reward? Hard games all the time?
And I have so many questions:is this system the same across all MMR ratings? I can partly agree to the system if you're in the lower divisions, but master and challenger are supposed to be the best of the best, they should either know the game the best or be extremely good specialists.
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On January 19 2019 06:51 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight. Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now?
The last paragraph is actually the most serious of that post.
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On January 19 2019 06:51 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight. Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now? The current system allows for both specialists and off role players to shine, hence I don't understand the change. If you are a god midlaner, you win a lot of games, and your inability to play other roles pulls you down to reality. If you're good at the game in general, you have smaller highs but fewer lows. With the proposed system, the specialist's lows are punished far less, while the general player gets... No reward? Hard games all the time?
If you are actually good you are AT LEAST master level. This means everyone knows you and more often than not someone will let you have mid regardless.
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haha good one you really nailed him there
User was warned for this post
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On January 19 2019 06:53 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:51 DarkCore wrote:On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight. Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now? The last paragraph is actually the most serious of that post.
Idk mate, the other paragraphs gave me some real flashbacks as well.
League Nirvana is only attainable at diamond 5/4 though.
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On January 19 2019 07:47 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:53 Slayer91 wrote:On January 19 2019 06:51 DarkCore wrote:On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight. Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now? The last paragraph is actually the most serious of that post. Idk mate, the other paragraphs gave me some real flashbacks as well. League Nirvana is only attainable at diamond 5/4 though.
Oh no I'm gatekept from nirvana what sins have I commited in my previous life to condemn me so 
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On January 19 2019 07:47 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:53 Slayer91 wrote:On January 19 2019 06:51 DarkCore wrote:On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight. Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now? The last paragraph is actually the most serious of that post. Idk mate, the other paragraphs gave me some real flashbacks as well. League Nirvana is only attainable at diamond 5/4 though.
i didnt say they werent serious
i'm actually a very serious guy
On January 19 2019 07:51 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 07:47 Fildun wrote:On January 19 2019 06:53 Slayer91 wrote:On January 19 2019 06:51 DarkCore wrote:On January 19 2019 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But it's a bit like your dad getting you to do yardwork to build character. You don't want to do it and it's not even clear if it really works or not. And unlike your dad, you don't have to do what rito tells you to, so it wouldn't make sense to reduce player satisfaction as a weird gamble to make people flame less because they understand each other.
If anything, being better at other roles usually makes them more irate, because know what you're doing and think it's terrible and they could do a way better job. (that's also what your dad thinks about your yardwork)
it's my personal opinion that people need to stop looking outwards at rito and start looking within. With some deep introspection and application of emotional intelligence you can reach league nirvana where you embrace the flame and savour it just as you savour a well played teamfight. Wtf are you on, that last paragraph lol. We a cult now? The last paragraph is actually the most serious of that post. Idk mate, the other paragraphs gave me some real flashbacks as well. League Nirvana is only attainable at diamond 5/4 though. Oh no I'm gatekept from nirvana what sins have I commited in my previous life to condemn me so
ur current life too famalam
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On January 19 2019 06:29 loSleb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 04:35 cLutZ wrote:On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. Yes I do want to force people to play offrole. On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up. I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good. "Griefing" in champ select forces you to play offrole so you should be a fan of that imo.
That makes no sense. Griefing gets crybabies out of offroles and puts non crybabies into offroles. It in no way lessens offroleness.
On January 19 2019 06:30 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 04:35 cLutZ wrote:On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. Yes I do want to force people to play offrole. On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up. I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good. out of interest, would you consider yourself to be a conservative or libertarian type person? (like right-wing)
Huh? I suppose.
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On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed.
its relevant because it ruins the gaming experience for his teammates?
its no exaggeration when i say 4 out of 5 games will have an autofilled player on your team. when the game becomes a contest of "which autofilled can suck less" then its a pretty crap experience overall. i mean, most korean soloq players from gold all the way up to challenger does this. the moment they get matched they look up fow.kr or op.gg and look at who the autofilled players are.
if youre a mid with no lane priority and 2 and a half minutes in your autofilled jg dies contesting scuttle and rages at you, its a tilting experience overall. hence the issue with positional ranked; you have to carry harder when youre on your mains and even if you do win it inflates your rank to a point where when youre not playing your main youre a liability to your team
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On January 19 2019 12:37 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:29 loSleb wrote:On January 19 2019 04:35 cLutZ wrote:On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. Yes I do want to force people to play offrole. On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up. I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good. "Griefing" in champ select forces you to play offrole so you should be a fan of that imo. That makes no sense. Griefing gets crybabies out of offroles and puts non crybabies into offroles. It in no way lessens offroleness. Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 06:30 Slayer91 wrote:On January 19 2019 04:35 cLutZ wrote:On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. Yes I do want to force people to play offrole. On January 19 2019 01:06 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, pregame griefing is a thing of the past, I might get a PB troll maybe once in 50 games, it's pretty rare. Never been held hostage since the new PB was brought out. People demanding roles, then feeding was also one of the biggest tilters in the game.
I like the new PB, just not this idea. This is basically a reward for people who are good at one or two roles. I also don't see how they can effectively accommodate for all the scenarios. Like the blog points out that a high elo player might ask to switch to his main, effectively putting his team at a massive advantage. Even if the system is able to 'detect' this, it basically makes this whole concept of position ranks moot, you're already in champ select. It would also need a fairly large sample size to figure out the behavior of a player: totally open to exploitation if you figure out how things work under the hood until the system catches on.
Also, I finally own every champion in this god damn game. Totally forgot I could use champion shards for blue essence, I had over 40k stacked up. I was always mad at Riot for focusing on ingame swearing and text-based griefing when they did nothing to Pick-Ban trolling which was 50x the problem of being called a crackhead in game. Then they "fixed" pick/ban stuff by implementing a system I don't particularly enjoy, and also dont think is all that good. out of interest, would you consider yourself to be a conservative or libertarian type person? (like right-wing) Huh? I suppose.
I made an inference on your personality based on your opinion. (Your opinion to me indicates high orderliness which predicts right wing political stance)
I was trying to figure out where you're coming from. There isn't really a direct logical reason to want people to play off-roles, you can try to rationalise it with that stuff about being more understanding or something but I think it comes from a sort of philosophy about how people should be.
To go back to the dad and teenage son analogy, the kid always just wants to do one thing play games/race cars/play guitar/go out with friends until etc. and the dad gets on his ass all the time about getting a job, getting a girlfriend, career plan, wake up early, be able to fix your own car, maintain the house, keep a tidy room etc.
It's kind of a typical republican/libertarian mindset that a man should be independent self-sufficient and capable. In other words, he should have a versatile skillset and be responsible rather than just doing the bare minimum and focusing only on what you want to do.
I believe you're applying this philosophy to league where "A player should be able to play all roles" because it's in a way, more responsible to his teammates, they'll get a decent player every game, whereas if you're really good most of the time on your main, sometimes you get something you're bad at, and it's nobody's fault but your team has to suffer. It's the same idea as everyone carrying their own weight in society. The more left wing idea would be to let people do as they want and get along, if someone is struggling the stronger should help out.
The dad/son analogy comes from the fact that people tend to become more conservative/right wing as they get older so the average dad was probably a degenerate kid for his fair share of time, didn't particularly respect himself then and doesn't want his own kids to be like that.
Just some ideas I'm bouncing around, I actually believe way more in that stuff I wrote about league nirvana.
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On January 19 2019 14:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. its relevant because it ruins the gaming experience for his teammates? its no exaggeration when i say 4 out of 5 games will have an autofilled player on your team. when the game becomes a contest of "which autofilled can suck less" then its a pretty crap experience overall. i mean, most korean soloq players from gold all the way up to challenger does this. the moment they get matched they look up fow.kr or op.gg and look at who the autofilled players are. if youre a mid with no lane priority and 2 and a half minutes in your autofilled jg dies contesting scuttle and rages at you, its a tilting experience overall. hence the issue with positional ranked; you have to carry harder when youre on your mains and even if you do win it inflates your rank to a point where when youre not playing your main youre a liability to your team
How can this be true, it can't both be "autofilled player difference" AND "jungler difference" 
I mean, this is a valid point in concept but by no means is it not an exaggeration. It's one of the biggest exaggerations I've seen in this forum in a while and that's saying something.
"which player can suck less" is a typical excuse people make for losing games because they weren't able to outplay their counterpart. So you were evenly matched but someone on your team wasn't and the enemy team won? Well no shit, if you don't have the power to make the difference in your team obviously someone else on the two sides will. Except when it's your team mate that wins his matchup you probably give yourself more credit and when it's your team mate that loses it's all his fault and there's nothing you can do.
It's not like non autofilled players don't lose hard as well. League is a very snowbally game
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On January 19 2019 20:31 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 14:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 19 2019 00:54 loSleb wrote:
Can we go back to nobody posting anything? I liked that time a lot more.
Have you guys collectively hit your head?
The ranked system can only ever account for things you actually play, how is it even relevant what the riven one trick would do if he had to play support 10 games in a row. Do you want to force people to play offrole? Nobody fucking cares what happens if you are forced to play another role regularly, it's a stupid theoretical scenario and almost all people would quit if that happens.
Your rank now automatically shows your ranking of getting your main 9 out of 10 times and being autofilled 1 of 10.
Just because in your stupid opinion you should be judged by something that is never relevant doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's your brain that is flawed. its relevant because it ruins the gaming experience for his teammates? its no exaggeration when i say 4 out of 5 games will have an autofilled player on your team. when the game becomes a contest of "which autofilled can suck less" then its a pretty crap experience overall. i mean, most korean soloq players from gold all the way up to challenger does this. the moment they get matched they look up fow.kr or op.gg and look at who the autofilled players are. if youre a mid with no lane priority and 2 and a half minutes in your autofilled jg dies contesting scuttle and rages at you, its a tilting experience overall. hence the issue with positional ranked; you have to carry harder when youre on your mains and even if you do win it inflates your rank to a point where when youre not playing your main youre a liability to your team How can this be true, it can't both be "autofilled player difference" AND "jungler difference" I mean, this is a valid point in concept but by no means is it not an exaggeration. It's one of the biggest exaggerations I've seen in this forum in a while and that's saying something. "which player can suck less" is a typical excuse people make for losing games because they weren't able to outplay their counterpart. So you were evenly matched but someone on your team wasn't and the enemy team won? Well no shit, if you don't have the power to make the difference in your team obviously someone else on the two sides will. Except when it's your team mate that wins his matchup you probably give yourself more credit and when it's your team mate that loses it's all his fault and there's nothing you can do. It's not like non autofilled players don't lose hard as well. League is a very snowbally game Show nested quote +On January 19 2019 14:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
hence the issue with positional ranked; you have to carry harder when youre on your mains and even if you do win it inflates your rank to a point where when youre not playing your main youre a liability to your team
So can you explain how this makes sense?? Let's go through the systems to date.
OLD SYSTEM: High elo's get higher picks, thus if you filled you might play worse but had less of an expectation from the team as you were the lowest ranked and probably didn't get your preferred role. OK but lots of arguments.
CURRENT SYSTEM: You mostly get your main roles, if you get filled it kinda sucks for your team, because of your point which is that you are better on your main which punishes your team if you don't get your main.
PROPOSED SYSTEM: You mostly get your main roles, if you don't you get a game in an elo adjusted to your rank on that autofilled role.
Proposed system is addressing exactly the problem you think it causes.
The reason people are complaining, is that obviously a diamond player who gets filled to support won't be a gold level player on a support role, so then it fucks up matchmaking until you've played SO many autofilled games that your actual elo is reflected on all roles. (And probably not a big difference between each)
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