EPT2017 Esports General Discussion - Page 3
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 04 2017 04:53 Slusher wrote: Please let us not forget that the database caveat was retroactively added by riot when presenting the echo fox non ruling. Wanna do an ban bet on whether the contract database was in the LCS rule set BEFORE or AFTER the Echo Fox incident? This was further supported by the fact that the database was vastly outdated and missing several signed players on the announcement of said ruling. It wasn't until after this portion of the rule was unveiled that someone at riot went through and updated it for all players. To my knowledge P1 has never claimed that they did submit the contract but Riot ignored it. If they did, that's relevant. If they didn't, then Riot's story (which is that they update it when they get contracts from the teams, but that it is the team's responsibility to submit contracts) is more credible. It makes a ton of sense that teams wouldn't bother submitting, but after seeing what happened to P1 because they didn't submit, decided to go ahead and submit. That is more plausible than your story, which is that Riot selectively chose which teams to update and which not to update (because the database was updated for many teams, just not all). | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Although know that I personally wouldn't put it past riot to retroactively add it to any still downloadable/ visible documents | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
The Global Contract Database was added to the 2016 Summer LCS rules. The document itself is dated April 27, 2016, but maybe you don't believe that. Well, on June 1, 2016, some guy posted the summer 2016 ruleset changelog on the League subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4m44ml/2016_summer_lcs_rule_set_and_changelog/ The changelog is here, and shows that 10.2.12 now includes reference to the official contract database: https://esports-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/production/files/rules/2016_Summer_LCS_Changelog_V3_02.pdf Some now-deleted tweets actually suggest the database actually existed much earlier: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:oUcKaqg5ftsJ:https://twitter.com/shakarez/status/756833690177703936?lang=en &cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ~~~ I totally agree with you that 10.2.12 is not written especially clearly. As a lawyer, I think there are 3-4 ambiguities in the language that Riot could close up (though it seems unlikely to be the subject of litigation). But the idea that the database was something Riot made up after the fact is complete fiction. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
Goldenglue benched, Link starting. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On February 09 2017 12:33 Gahlo wrote: TL Goldenglue benched, Link starting. er think you read the news wrong http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/18648557/team-liquid-makes-change-mid-lane link is off the team, goldenglue is the sole starter damn link must have been really bad in scrims if they dont even care for a sub with the state goldenglue is in right now | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On February 09 2017 13:13 dsyxelic wrote: er think you read the news wrong http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/18648557/team-liquid-makes-change-mid-lane link is off the team, goldenglue is the sole starter damn link must have been really bad in scrims if they dont even care for a sub with the state goldenglue is in right now next split/season link will be a top 3 midlaner in NA now Seriously though, I don't know why TL put so much stock in scrims when Goldenglue is the perfect example of why you shouldn't. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
i wish they'd at least tried him once. we have like nothing to lose lmao seriously thought he'd come in during the nv game or efx game | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On February 09 2017 18:59 Numy wrote: What on earth is TL management even doing. Link has been MIA for 2 years then suddenly they bring him on last minute, hyping him up then promptly discarding him 3 weeks into the season. How bad must he have been that they couldn't even try him out in one game? Is anyone really surprised? Seems pretty par for the course. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On February 10 2017 13:28 zer0das wrote: Is anyone really surprised? Seems pretty par for the course. For TL? I don't think so. I feel like TL has always had a culture problem, for the longest time they only look on point and play as a team when they're winning, then the next game their shotcalling and coordination goes to pieces when they're behind and they look like a soloQ team; in situations where even the best plays can have a low success rate just because you're behind, no one in TL seems willing to take the reins of the team, call a risky play, and take responsibility for failing after the fact, so instead they don't even try and just fall apart. As far as hiring decisions go, I feel like TL's track record was fairly defensible through S6. It's S7 that feels like a train wreck by comparison, specifically in the midlane. Honestly, I feel like the ideal midlaner for TL would've been a natural leader and strong shotcaller like Hai, who can make sure the team is always on the same page. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On February 12 2017 04:08 Sent. wrote: Can we have "permanent" threads for EU and NA like we have for LCK? At least for regular games, playoffs should get their own threads This would be good. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On February 09 2017 13:13 dsyxelic wrote: er think you read the news wrong http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/18648557/team-liquid-makes-change-mid-lane link is off the team, goldenglue is the sole starter damn link must have been really bad in scrims if they dont even care for a sub with the state goldenglue is in right now have you seen him in solo q lol, he can barely scrape masters and has a mediocre champ pool.Goldenglue is bad but eons ahead of link. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On February 12 2017 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote: have you seen him in solo q lol, he can barely scrape masters and has a mediocre champ pool.Goldenglue is bad but eons ahead of link. yeah but I thought it was a motivation issue (not being on a team) because when TL picked him up he shot up to like 300+ LP challenger which is nothing amazing for a pro but showed at least to me that it could've been motivation issues and not taking soloq seriously before TL knew this too and picked him up despite that so its surprising to me since this was all information we were already given before the link pickup, and we still drop him like a sack of hot potatoes before even trying him. which means he was so shit beyond what we even expected | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On February 12 2017 06:52 dsyxelic wrote: yeah but I thought it was a motivation issue (not being on a team) because when TL picked him up he shot up to like 300+ LP challenger which is nothing amazing for a pro but showed at least to me that it could've been motivation issues and not taking soloq seriously before TL knew this too and picked him up despite that so its surprising to me since this was all information we were already given before the link pickup, and we still drop him like a sack of hot potatoes before even trying him. which means he was so shit beyond what we even expected his only good winrates are like ryze and lb and i think picking the super OPs in scrims is generally frowned upon or banned out to test strats so I would assume he just got trashed mid when not on good champs. I think his secondary champs are like lulu/ori/cass/zed or something | ||
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