EPTOn May 24 2017 11:04 Kaneh wrote:
goldenglue better be shitstomping bjerg/jensen in scrims for this to even remotely make sense.
goldenglue better be shitstomping bjerg/jensen in scrims for this to even remotely make sense.
It doesn't.
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
It doesn't. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On an unrelated note huge props to G2 for giving Expect/Trick a break to go back home and playing with subs for the first week (or more). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
The GG rhetoric is even worse since it's just repeating the same thing that has been said every time the guy tries to compete without in any way dealing with the supposed cause of him being bad on stage. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On May 24 2017 17:55 Numy wrote: I love how TL talks about how meta was so bad for Piglet last split that's why he suffered yet all the good ADCs around the world still looked good in that meta and made it work. If I still cared about TL I'd be so angry by now but the league team managed to kill off any care I had for this organization long ago. It is hilarious seeing the dumpsterfire drama every split at least :D The GG rhetoric is even worse since it's just repeating the same thing that has been said every time the guy tries to compete without in any way dealing with the supposed cause of him being bad on stage. I'm not too good at the game, so correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this past split more mid/jgl focused? Fair enough that the adc's were more utility focused and Piglet plays more of the carry adcs (but cait was a stomper so hmmmmm). How ever the game favored a roaming mid with jungle pressure, something GG says that favors him in a past BTR episode as he likes to snowball other lanes. In a meta that he is supposed to shine in, he looked mundane at best. You have Arcsecond and he looked pretty decent and you could build off him I feel. Why focus on GG when it was shown on several different teams that his stage performances aren't there? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
I'm not too good at the game, so correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this past split more mid/jgl focused? It was, especially at the start. Fair enough that the adc's were more utility focused and Piglet plays more of the carry adcs (but cait was a stomper so hmmmmm). Yes, but if Piglet is worth using an import slot on then playstyle shouldn't be a limitation. Also, Cait's rise in the bot lane came late in the split after significant meta changes. How ever the game favored a roaming mid with jungle pressure, something GG says that favors him in a past BTR episode as he likes to snowball other lanes. In a meta that he is supposed to shine in, he looked mundane at best. GG has also said that he was trying too much to prop up his teammates and sacrifice his individual power - in essance, playing jungle from the mid lane, and that he's learned to be more selfish during his time in Korea. You have Arcsecond and he looked pretty decent and you could build off him I feel. Why focus on GG when it was shown on several different teams that his stage performances aren't there? They have to know something that isn't public knowledge and makes it a reasonable path to follow. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 24 2017 11:04 Kaneh wrote: goldenglue better be shitstomping bjerg/jensen in scrims for this to even remotely make sense. My opinion was from the start that benching Goldenglue and putting Piglet mid made no sense whatsoever. I was always very sure that Piglet would not stay in mid. So I see this move as at least rectifying that mistake. Although I would have preferred if they got rid of Piglet by now and got a mid lane import. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 25 2017 01:09 Redox wrote: My opinion was from the start that benching Goldenglue and putting Piglet mid made no sense whatsoever. I was always very sure that Piglet would not stay in mid. So I see this move as at least rectifying that mistake. Although I would have preferred if they got rid of Piglet by now and got a mid lane import. I thought Midlet was worth trying. I was very clearly shown to be in the wrong. I agree now that getting rid of Piglet to free up an import slot for a good midlaner would be the most sensible path forward for TL, but who would they even get? And are there decent ADCs who aren't already taken in NA? A Wildturtle-level player wouldn't do if TL wants to reach playoffs. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On May 25 2017 02:11 Zato-1 wrote: I thought Midlet was worth trying. I was very clearly shown to be in the wrong. I agree now that getting rid of Piglet to free up an import slot for a good midlaner would be the most sensible path forward for TL, but who would they even get? And are there decent ADCs who aren't already taken in NA? A Wildturtle-level player wouldn't do if TL wants to reach playoffs. I Wildturtle-level player wasn't enough of a drop off to have TSM not win NA. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 25 2017 02:30 Sent. wrote: I think TL's main problem wasn't Goldgenglue but their coaching staff. chipmonklord17 is right, their roster had the potential to be at least a middle of the pack team. Coaching staff is quickly becoming the number 1 league scapegoat. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On May 25 2017 02:30 Sent. wrote: I think TL's main problem wasn't Goldgenglue but their coaching staff. chipmonklord17 is right, their roster had the potential to be at least a middle of the pack team. TL shouldn't be a middle of the pack team with the amount of money they pay their jungler. The team will be fighting to get out of relegations and be mediocre after spending some of the most money in the league. | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
but whatever, I'll continue cheering for them. pray the stars align and goldenglue is a late-late-late-bloomer. I dunno how they became my team, but all I can do is hope haha =/ | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
Like you cant' blame the bot lane dying in 2v2s as a coaching issue. I can blame them for not getting rid of Matt. Or not helping him overcome his problems faster. Or continuing to have so much faith in Piglet. I'm trying to say that, while it's not their fault that the problems you mentioned started, they deserve the blame for not fixing those problems and creating new ones like Midlet (they had to okay that). | ||
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 25 2017 17:16 St3MoR wrote: what you are trying to say is, bottomline: Steve is a problem Steve wasn't around for the first half of the split. You could argue that THAT was a big error on his part, but the people who were in charge in his absence deserve at least some of the blame. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On May 26 2017 01:21 Zato-1 wrote: Steve wasn't around for the first half of the split. You could argue that THAT was a big error on his part, but the people who were in charge in his absence deserve at least some of the blame. While Steve is in charge of it all as an owner, doesn't all of these operational things for the team itself fall under the head coach's job description? It's his job to facilitate the needs of the coaching team and correct things when they aren't working. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
I view it more akin to how Regi has to come in and whip TSM into shape periodically, except unlike Regi, Steve has a history of staying really close to the team. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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