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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
December 29 2016 21:31 GMT
#241
I'm sure others have talked about this but why is the meta that the support takes Exhaust and the ADC takes Heal? With Windspeaker's and Ardent Censer, isn't it more efficient for a heal-based support to take Heal while the ADC gets Exhaust, since Exhaust is 90% used to protect the ADC late-game anyway?
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Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
December 29 2016 23:14 GMT
#242
my reasoning (as a support) is that in terms on positioning, its much, much better.

the adc is often running away from the thing you want to exhaust. if you're in exhaust range, you're often in range to get hit by whatever abilities already. The adc is busy hitting frontliners that don't need to be exhausted. imagine if you're an adc trying to exhuast jhin or cait to get away in lane. Or if you had to walk up to syndra to exhaust. that just doesn't work well.

heal is often used for movement, so adcs tend to like to control thier own mini-speed boost. A second reason, if you're not close enough, or you're an engage-melee type of support, you're not going to be near the adc. The reasoning here is less useful, so heal actually can be taken as support, but exhuast is usually more useful overall.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 30 2016 03:57 GMT
#243
Its also much easier for an ADC to tell themselves when they need the heal, whereas exhaust is often a more crap shoot kind of spell that is just to be used ASAP. With heal its hard for a support to know if their Ignited ADC can live a few more seconds till it wears off and get the full heal or if they need the gimp heal, or what.

But more than anything I think it is familiarity for most people. And you need Redemption, Red SS, and Locket real fast cuz they OP as fuck right now, so I don't even know how frequently people are getting ACensor.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 30 2016 14:26 GMT
#244
the only adc that its actually legit to take exhaust on is vayne, that used to be meta before the whole heal craze. its still better but people probably just used to having that heal by now

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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 30 2016 22:17 GMT
#245
Vayne with exhaust and PD is terror to 1v1 against
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-30 22:50:35
December 30 2016 22:49 GMT
#246
On December 31 2016 07:17 MooMooMugi wrote:
Vayne with exhaust and PD is terror to 1v1 against

Vayne without either of those things is also terror to 1v1 against
There's something about infinite Kha ult charges with crazy dmg boost and knockback/stun that makes it difficult
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 02:46:16
December 31 2016 02:45 GMT
#247
unless you're syndra and press r huehuehue

such dmg

much skill

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 05:28:44
January 01 2017 05:16 GMT
#248
Vayne just needs to build GA, MAW, and Black Cleaver!

Also warmogs. And a BV. Maybe a QSS too.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
January 01 2017 12:06 GMT
#249
Psh, just have a friendly neighbourhood Kayle on your team. Ezpz
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
January 03 2017 09:11 GMT
#250
ziggs mid and ziggs adc appearing in everyone elses games. he has been pick 7/8 games for me today 2 as adc 5 as mid. i lost the game where we had him as adc but we completely destroyed bot lane 8 min fb and only really lost because our riven was really bad.
Moar banelings less qq
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
January 03 2017 14:08 GMT
#251
By Ziggs adc you mean Ziggs bot (still AP build) right?
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 03 2017 14:34 GMT
#252
yup, with the massive amounts of damage in this game the meta is now switching to full on burst, sustained damage no longer has a place really. So that leaves tower killing which ziggs also does better.

The only adcs I see sticking around in competitive are jhin and caitlyn right now for obvious reasons. Vayne/twitch are good but dont play well against the usual lcs team comps.

ive been playing annie ap bot for fun even though its not as good.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
January 03 2017 14:45 GMT
#253
Sounds like league is still broken.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 03 2017 16:00 GMT
#254
On January 03 2017 23:45 Yorbon wrote:
Sounds like league is still broken.


they would need to completely rehaul masteries to fix the game and that's obviously not happening so yea. Best they could do is number fixes. The amount of damage you get is just comical.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 03 2017 16:45 GMT
#255
It was fine but they replaced sota with cotc and now bruisers are silly.

They also need to revert the tower changes bot lame so it's less of a gang bang down there. You have to win not to get first tower or you're stupid behind.

No wonder wave clear and tower pushing is a premium. Everyone just 5 man's bot because if you don't other team is retardedly ahead. Ofcourse bot laners feel like they have no impact. They buffed the average tank with CotC and removed other good early mid Game objectives away from bot, and they nerfed early adc itemization.

They just need to revert cotc, rift herald, and the tower changes.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-03 17:01:05
January 03 2017 17:00 GMT
#256
lol what? Mages would become an even bigger problem. The only thing that can stop a katarina or lb or whatever bullshit is a tanky poppy/naut/etc.

They need to revert giving all that free % multiplier damage in addition to greenfathers gift and thunderlords that makes burst comical against anybody that isnt a CoC tank

literally the entire utility tree can be put towards increasing damage, it's just another offensive tree at this point. Nothing "utility" about it
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 04 2017 00:00 GMT
#257
It's not an utility tree anymore, though, they renamed it in season 5, so from left to right it's basically "dps, burst, tankiness."
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 04 2017 00:07 GMT
#258
I could bring wrong, but mages aren't that string right now are they? Aside from a few outliers (lb is kind of silly atm)

I think the early level tower buffs could perhaps be removed mid and top. That would make bottom feel less.... gangbangy.

I dunno, I'm not an adc player but my perspective is bot feels bad because of a few standout champs and because bottom is the go to place on the map while not bottom laners are in their weakest phase of play.

Maybe riot should make top the weakest early tower? There is more roaming mid and ganking from jungle and that's why adc players feel like shit right now. More ganks and they are the go to spot to be ganked because the reward not is astronomically higher than top. You feed / deny more champs, you get tower easier, and there is dragon.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 00:30:10
January 04 2017 00:13 GMT
#259
they are changing how tld wortks maybe this will help but i also think greenfather is stupid and gave too much uneeded burst to junglers like lee, on a side note reddit is going full retard past couple days
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 04 2017 00:19 GMT
#260
On January 04 2017 09:07 iCanada wrote:
I could bring wrong, but mages aren't that string right now are they? Aside from a few outliers (lb is kind of silly atm)

I think the early level tower buffs could perhaps be removed mid and top. That would make bottom feel less.... gangbangy.

I dunno, I'm not an adc player but my perspective is bot feels bad because of a few standout champs and because bottom is the go to place on the map while not bottom laners are in their weakest phase of play.

Maybe riot should make top the weakest early tower? There is more roaming mid and ganking from jungle and that's why adc players feel like shit right now. More ganks and they are the go to spot to be ganked because the reward not is astronomically higher than top. You feed / deny more champs, you get tower easier, and there is dragon.

They can't do that because it just makes pro play into lane swap and objective trading again (which, despite protestations of the super serious commentators and pro players, is not that deep strategically). The key is making "failed" roams and ganks less good, which is an on-off problem we have had (jungle ganks s2-4 were almost always worth even for just a flash, A-Sol ruined pro play by making roams so easy that Huhi could look competent).
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