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On December 22 2016 23:55 JimmiC wrote: Little did you know but a garen top main got auto filled adc the other team and you just threw away that freelo I feel personally offended
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Some games have players arguing about picks, roles, whining or whatever else. I can find something more productive or entertaining to do for five minutes or even the 20(?) from a second dodge. Might have won that game either way but I don't feel like playing 15 mins if someone gives up fp and my teammate afks.
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I dodge when someone picks disco Nunu, but if that's not the case I feel like on average I'll still gain Elo. So basically I never dodge. When I have flamers/ragers on my team I don't have less fun, since I'll be mostly focusing on my own play or laughing at them. I also don't dislike playing from behind, something that really annoys me is when people say gg next without us being down 30 to 3 in kills or something like that.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I know Sufficiency has ran stats on % likelihood to win based on gold leads at certain times. That seems like something ripe for a graph: x-axis is time, y-axis is gold lead, and color shading indicates likelihood of victory.
On a related note: is there a reason why overall gold lead is present in spectator UI but not in-game?
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It's a "fog of war" tradition going back to dota. It's a similar argument to jungle timers making a macro assessment based on items opposed to a gold value number being fed to you.
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On December 22 2016 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 11:44 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont get why people think dodging is an answer. there was another thread in this site where someone asked how often everyone dodges and i was amazed to see how proudly so many stated they dodged. stop being pussies and just play the game, even if youre shit at the champ or role you get. how do you expect to improve at the game if youre only playing the same 3-4 champions in the same role for an entire season. yeah you hit diamond, but that doesnt make you a diamond player. it just means you can play at diamond level ONLY when you get the champs you want. every other time youre a gold player.
amazing how lol branched off from dota but the mentality of lol players are so different. no dota player would dodge a game because they didnt get mid lane or their invoker got stolen. play every lane, role, champ etc and learn the game properly. korean pros/challengers are correct when they say "mains" are stupid. you cant be a good player when youre only good at 1 champ/role I'm guessing you don't work or are still in school or something? No one in their right mind would have this attitude with limited free time. Dodging is necessary if you're trying to climb on a time budget. I don't have time to waste 30+ minutes with some clown that mains volibear jungle but got autofilled support. Just an example that happens often but there are a plethora of reasons to dodge in this game
I have a kid, a full time job and I don't dodge. I don't understand why someone on limited time would dodge. If I dodge I simply don't have time to play because I am, as you say, on limited time. Do you really think people can climb by never playing the game?
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On December 23 2016 06:04 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 22 2016 11:44 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont get why people think dodging is an answer. there was another thread in this site where someone asked how often everyone dodges and i was amazed to see how proudly so many stated they dodged. stop being pussies and just play the game, even if youre shit at the champ or role you get. how do you expect to improve at the game if youre only playing the same 3-4 champions in the same role for an entire season. yeah you hit diamond, but that doesnt make you a diamond player. it just means you can play at diamond level ONLY when you get the champs you want. every other time youre a gold player.
amazing how lol branched off from dota but the mentality of lol players are so different. no dota player would dodge a game because they didnt get mid lane or their invoker got stolen. play every lane, role, champ etc and learn the game properly. korean pros/challengers are correct when they say "mains" are stupid. you cant be a good player when youre only good at 1 champ/role I'm guessing you don't work or are still in school or something? No one in their right mind would have this attitude with limited free time. Dodging is necessary if you're trying to climb on a time budget. I don't have time to waste 30+ minutes with some clown that mains volibear jungle but got autofilled support. Just an example that happens often but there are a plethora of reasons to dodge in this game I have a kid, a full time job and I don't dodge. I don't understand why someone on limited time would dodge. If I dodge I simply don't have time to play because I am, as you say, on limited time. Do you really think people can climb by never playing the game? I have limited time too. I dodge games I dont expect to have fun in aka when people start flaming hardcore in champ select or when I'm going to support someone with horrible adc stats. I'm not going to waste my time on games I'm almost surely not going to enjoy.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On December 23 2016 06:04 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 22 2016 11:44 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont get why people think dodging is an answer. there was another thread in this site where someone asked how often everyone dodges and i was amazed to see how proudly so many stated they dodged. stop being pussies and just play the game, even if youre shit at the champ or role you get. how do you expect to improve at the game if youre only playing the same 3-4 champions in the same role for an entire season. yeah you hit diamond, but that doesnt make you a diamond player. it just means you can play at diamond level ONLY when you get the champs you want. every other time youre a gold player.
amazing how lol branched off from dota but the mentality of lol players are so different. no dota player would dodge a game because they didnt get mid lane or their invoker got stolen. play every lane, role, champ etc and learn the game properly. korean pros/challengers are correct when they say "mains" are stupid. you cant be a good player when youre only good at 1 champ/role I'm guessing you don't work or are still in school or something? No one in their right mind would have this attitude with limited free time. Dodging is necessary if you're trying to climb on a time budget. I don't have time to waste 30+ minutes with some clown that mains volibear jungle but got autofilled support. Just an example that happens often but there are a plethora of reasons to dodge in this game I have a kid, a full time job and I don't dodge. I don't understand why someone on limited time would dodge. If I dodge I simply don't have time to play because I am, as you say, on limited time. Do you really think people can climb by never playing the game? This is like saying you should never fold in poker if you need to make money fast because "Do you really think people can make money by never playing hands?"
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On December 23 2016 07:22 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 06:04 NpG)Explosive wrote:On December 22 2016 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 22 2016 11:44 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont get why people think dodging is an answer. there was another thread in this site where someone asked how often everyone dodges and i was amazed to see how proudly so many stated they dodged. stop being pussies and just play the game, even if youre shit at the champ or role you get. how do you expect to improve at the game if youre only playing the same 3-4 champions in the same role for an entire season. yeah you hit diamond, but that doesnt make you a diamond player. it just means you can play at diamond level ONLY when you get the champs you want. every other time youre a gold player.
amazing how lol branched off from dota but the mentality of lol players are so different. no dota player would dodge a game because they didnt get mid lane or their invoker got stolen. play every lane, role, champ etc and learn the game properly. korean pros/challengers are correct when they say "mains" are stupid. you cant be a good player when youre only good at 1 champ/role I'm guessing you don't work or are still in school or something? No one in their right mind would have this attitude with limited free time. Dodging is necessary if you're trying to climb on a time budget. I don't have time to waste 30+ minutes with some clown that mains volibear jungle but got autofilled support. Just an example that happens often but there are a plethora of reasons to dodge in this game I have a kid, a full time job and I don't dodge. I don't understand why someone on limited time would dodge. If I dodge I simply don't have time to play because I am, as you say, on limited time. Do you really think people can climb by never playing the game? This is like saying you should never fold in poker if you need to make money fast because "Do you really think people can make money by never playing hands?"
Great comparison actually.
Time is money, consider the 6-minutes, or 30-minutes time out just a small sacrifice to avoid 45 minutes wasted instead. Sure, there's a chance you suck-out and win the hand/game, but more often than not, you know it's better to sacrifice the smaller amount than go all-in chasing ghosts.
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On December 22 2016 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 11:44 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont get why people think dodging is an answer. there was another thread in this site where someone asked how often everyone dodges and i was amazed to see how proudly so many stated they dodged. stop being pussies and just play the game, even if youre shit at the champ or role you get. how do you expect to improve at the game if youre only playing the same 3-4 champions in the same role for an entire season. yeah you hit diamond, but that doesnt make you a diamond player. it just means you can play at diamond level ONLY when you get the champs you want. every other time youre a gold player.
amazing how lol branched off from dota but the mentality of lol players are so different. no dota player would dodge a game because they didnt get mid lane or their invoker got stolen. play every lane, role, champ etc and learn the game properly. korean pros/challengers are correct when they say "mains" are stupid. you cant be a good player when youre only good at 1 champ/role I'm guessing you don't work or are still in school or something? No one in their right mind would have this attitude with limited free time. Dodging is necessary if you're trying to climb on a time budget. I don't have time to waste 30+ minutes with some clown that mains volibear jungle but got autofilled support. Just an example that happens often but there are a plethora of reasons to dodge in this game actually i work full time 70 hours a week + go to night school for 12 hours a week for work related reasons. despite that i spend a couple hours a week when i can to play ranked and i play every game i get. i hate when im in the middle of champ select and some dickhead dodges because his lee sin got banned or he didnt get his top lane. i dont get why you care about climbing so much when youre shit at the game overall. all dodging and playing "mains" does is create some false illusion that youre actually good at the game, when in reality you are bad at 80% of champions and 80% of the roles (4/5). id rather be able to hold my own in diamond for every champion and role, than be a one trick pony in challenger and be labelled as boosted every time i play something else. if holding a high rank despite you being crap at everything other than your main means that much to you, you need to sort out your ego complex. also, for the guys who care about improving at the game rather than simply holding a high rank, take it from a guy who actually played dota professionally. playing every champion and every role is crucial to getting better at the game. you can argue that dota and lol are different games, but tbh fundamentally they are the same shit. learning how to play a champion doesnt teach you how to play the game. and for those who argue that they simply want to enjoy the game and dont want to "waste their time" with feeders/tilters etc, why are you even playing ranked then? what you claim to want and what youre doing are in conflict, so accept the fact that youre gonna have tilters and feeders and learn to win with them in your team, or go play normals and enjoy yourself.
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Pretty much any response I could make to such a shitty post would get me instantly banned so yea.
"good one"
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make a constructive argument and you wont get banned, unless my post tilted you and you feel the need to dodge
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On December 23 2016 09:42 evilfatsh1t wrote: and for those who argue that they simply want to enjoy the game and dont want to "waste their time" with feeders/tilters etc, why are you even playing ranked then? what you claim to want and what youre doing are in conflict.
No, I dodge norms for the same reasons I dodge ranked games. The game doesn't suddenly become more/less enjoyable based on the queue you decide to play that day.
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