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[Patch 6.24] Camille General Discussion - Page 8

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zajabys111
Profile Joined December 2016
3 Posts
December 17 2016 21:25 GMT
#141
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General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-20 02:45:32
December 20 2016 02:44 GMT
#142
Now that I have some vacation days towards the end of the year I'm getting to play a lot of games and I really like Nunu this patch.

Attack speed marks ap runes scaling health seals and move speed quints. The ms quints along with his new passive (+10% move speed once stacked) make him really fast. You can push lanes and run away, invade run away, and just move through your own kg to clear. Plus you can get to lanes that need ganking really quick.

For route I like start blue, gromp wolves. If mid is overextend get e as your third skill and gank. Otherwise get a second point in consume. Then red, birds, krugs, scuttle. If bot / top (depending on side) is over extended gank. Otherwise invade and take their gromp which has reapawnwed by this point. Nunu clears really fast. Even shyv can't keep up and you will get her gromp and sometimes even wolves.

For build, I like cinderhulk. Boots based on who is scary (taby or merc or maybe swiftys if everyone on other team is bad). Tiamat. Visage or deadmans. Finish titanic hydra. Knights vow if there is at least one good carry one your team. The other defensive item. With consume and hulk and hydra you clear blazingly fast in the jg. Late game with W and hydra and that much health your wave clear is insane (really, tanks should not have wave clear like this, you clear comparably to some 6 item adcs). This build gets you over 5000 health so titanic does a lot of air damage In Team fights. You don't build any ap so your abilities are mostly just cc and utility. But that's fine. With consume + smite you tear down barons and dragons really fast. You solo dragon faster than people can respond starting at level 7 or so.

Anyway. I think Nunu is really good right now. When they changed his passive his win rate went through the roof. Then people forgot about him in the time of red krug level three gank. But that's been nerfed and Nunu new passive is still here.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
December 20 2016 06:16 GMT
#143
They also removed SOTA and ivern before the recent nerfs was just a way better nunu.
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lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
December 20 2016 16:30 GMT
#144
On December 20 2016 11:44 General_Winter wrote:
Now that I have some vacation days towards the end of the year I'm getting to play a lot of games and I really like Nunu this patch.

Attack speed marks ap runes scaling health seals and move speed quints. The ms quints along with his new passive (+10% move speed once stacked) make him really fast. You can push lanes and run away, invade run away, and just move through your own kg to clear. Plus you can get to lanes that need ganking really quick.

For route I like start blue, gromp wolves. If mid is overextend get e as your third skill and gank. Otherwise get a second point in consume. Then red, birds, krugs, scuttle. If bot / top (depending on side) is over extended gank. Otherwise invade and take their gromp which has reapawnwed by this point. Nunu clears really fast. Even shyv can't keep up and you will get her gromp and sometimes even wolves.

For build, I like cinderhulk. Boots based on who is scary (taby or merc or maybe swiftys if everyone on other team is bad). Tiamat. Visage or deadmans. Finish titanic hydra. Knights vow if there is at least one good carry one your team. The other defensive item. With consume and hulk and hydra you clear blazingly fast in the jg. Late game with W and hydra and that much health your wave clear is insane (really, tanks should not have wave clear like this, you clear comparably to some 6 item adcs). This build gets you over 5000 health so titanic does a lot of air damage In Team fights. You don't build any ap so your abilities are mostly just cc and utility. But that's fine. With consume + smite you tear down barons and dragons really fast. You solo dragon faster than people can respond starting at level 7 or so.

Anyway. I think Nunu is really good right now. When they changed his passive his win rate went through the roof. Then people forgot about him in the time of red krug level three gank. But that's been nerfed and Nunu new passive is still here.


If you aren't getting any AP items, wouldn't it be best to change the AP runes to MR and have full resistance?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
December 20 2016 16:34 GMT
#145
Might speed up Nunu's clear, which I always find tedious.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 20 2016 17:40 GMT
#146
I basically dropped nunu because the red side jungle changes shit on consume. It's a champion I've always enjoyed but the haves and have nots for red side are so pronounced I feel so far behind when I don't pick meta
Carrilord has arrived.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 04:12:13
December 21 2016 04:11 GMT
#147
Actually agree that Nunu is severely underrated right now. Great gank setup with iceballs early game and early dragon pressure with consume. Good mid game zoning with ult + iceball on enemy AD carries. Decent utility with blood boil late game and frontline for ally AD carry. What I dont enjoy about Nunu though is his reliance on his team because he is not a carry jungler.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 06:03:33
December 21 2016 05:48 GMT
#148
I've just been spamming Rek'Sai all patch. She's a rock in the new jungle. She has godly red side clear and she's one of the only junglers who I don't feel grossly inefficient starting red side on due to tunnels. She has a much better time raotors>red>golems then any other jungler. It's still inefficient but it's only 10s or so and sometimes just going the right path wins games.

That and her ult right now is a free kill with good tunnel network. Everyone thinks it's a farm alarm.. but there no camp's up.

The flexibility, simplicity, and efficiency of reksai just makes her the best jungler right now. Only jungler I can play my s6 battleward style on without being real feast or famine.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4110 Posts
December 21 2016 09:59 GMT
#149
I was Top/Jungle roles last season, now I go Top/Mid, I just no longer have the desire to adjust to the new jungles. Maybe if I was jungle main, but it has always been my secondary and I got fed up :-)
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
December 21 2016 10:43 GMT
#150
play fill like a real man
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
December 21 2016 14:43 GMT
#151
On December 21 2016 19:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
play fill like a real man

aka main support? :^)
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4110 Posts
December 21 2016 14:47 GMT
#152
On December 21 2016 23:43 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 19:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
play fill like a real man

aka main support? :^)

Honestly in my elo - Low Diamond, most of the time someone get autofill is adc, like 60% chance you go bot and 40% support
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 21 2016 16:07 GMT
#153
I only jungle secondary because it's the highest odds at main role
Carrilord has arrived.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4110 Posts
December 21 2016 16:33 GMT
#154
I think jungle secondary should not be allowed, at least from plat above. I dont think I ever played in a meta (started mid season 3) where the jungle role was not the most significant and impacting role. I mean if you have skill gap between any laners it can be covered by others (talking about elos where people have basics and don't feed mindlessly), but if you have a skill gap between the junglers, the whole map is gone and you can rarely recover from that, maybe if all 4 other teammates are better then maybe, not sure. And if the better jungler also plays meta champ then you can ff at 10 just by looking at their map movement.


Anyone disagree with my opinion on this?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 21 2016 16:53 GMT
#155
There are a lot more factors than "who has the better jungler" in the vast majority of games. The idea is pretty stupid in general and all it would do is increase q time while fucking with lots of people.

The top 3:
1. Which team has more people who will start inting if game doesnt go as they want it to
2. Which team has easier to execute teamcomp
3. Which team has at least 1 person who isn't completely retarded and can utilize pings
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 21 2016 17:29 GMT
#156
I think jungle skill is also a weird metric. How did you define?

Some players die to awful ganks and some junglers get fed when they should just be poor meanwhile the other jungler has same gold because he farms better and has been punishing other guys stupid ganks.


Is jungler getting kills on ganks thathe shouldn't work skilled? Other guy has same gold but his team is losing. Other guy would get hard winning if his lanes weren't retarded.

Which is more skilled?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 21 2016 17:37 GMT
#157
While I don't disagree that jungle is the most op role ATM I think all players are overly judgmental of their main role when they are stuck offrole.
Carrilord has arrived.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
December 21 2016 17:52 GMT
#158
On December 22 2016 02:37 Slusher wrote:
While I don't disagree that jungle is the most op role ATM I think all players are overly judgmental of their main role when they are stuck offrole.

This is true, but if you're a top laner forced bot, it's not like you can look top and see how badly the top laner is missing CS, getting zoned, taking bad trades, etc. But if you're a jungler forced mid, you can see just from the minimap the dumb pathing your jungler is taking, and how your jungler is never involved in the early game fights.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 21 2016 17:58 GMT
#159
the #1 rule to every game is who has the better jungler, not even close to being disputable this season. The exception to the rule is a large ADC skill level skill difference, that's the only thing that trumps jungler. Because despite the whining, adcs still take over the game after 3 items and acquiring that quickly is tough for the other team to deal with.

The only close games I ever have is when the junglers are equally terrible, then it actually turns into a real league game.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=arghilost

the tahm kench game in my recent history is a good example, me and twitch had good synergy and basically 2v5'd them even though we were getting dumpstered by lee sin and our elise was completely boosted. Doesnt matter when twitch gets an instant triple kill as soon as he starts attacking
I come in for the scraps
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 18:18:14
December 21 2016 18:16 GMT
#160
On December 22 2016 02:52 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 02:37 Slusher wrote:
While I don't disagree that jungle is the most op role ATM I think all players are overly judgmental of their main role when they are stuck offrole.

This is true, but if you're a top laner forced bot, it's not like you can look top and see how badly the top laner is missing CS, getting zoned, taking bad trades, etc. But if you're a jungler forced mid, you can see just from the minimap the dumb pathing your jungler is taking, and how your jungler is never involved in the early game fights.

wut toplaner missing cs because hes filling bot shouldnt happen unless he sucks in general
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