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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Let's just not do anything, clearly everything is fixed. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
The question of whether so and so is a sustainable business model gets brought up with the rise of player salaries; it applies to this too. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
I suppose theyll go with a core 5 and then have situational subs. will be interesting for sure | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On January 01 2016 05:39 Saradin wrote: Speaking of sister teams, let's not forget how enthusiastic owners may or may not be about the payroll for 2 full sets of peer teams. It's one thing to pay for a set of second stringers; you're asking less of them and correspondingly offering less. It's another thing to basically double your serious payroll, for however much gain there is between 1 and 2 teams. The question of whether so and so is a sustainable business model gets brought up with the rise of player salaries; it applies to this too. I don't really see how the enthusiasm of the owners is relevant here, since it's their own decision to pick up a sister team. If sister teams were allowed nobody would be forcing owners to pick them up, it's more a case of if I an owner wants to pick up a second team he would be able to do so, whereas right now he can't. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Gotta keep pretending that the gap is closing! | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 01 2016 07:01 Zess wrote: It is more likely that killing off sister teams was to avoid the near mishap of Samsung vs Samsung at World's, and less so to prevent potential future match fixing. Gotta keep pretending that the gap is closing! There's too few international games to tell whether the gap is closing or not. Especially if people assume that MSI, IEM and Allstars results are flukes / unimportant and the only relevant yardstick is Worlds, one month a year of being able to compare teams across different regions followed by 11 months of being completely in the dark. Korea is still clearly on top. But has the gap shrunk? Has it grown? How much of Korea's dominance was due to Ssumday, Marin and to a lesser degree Smeb dunking their opposition on the juggernaut patch? I think China would've done better for sure on a different patch, but again, there's just so little data to work with. I guess you can say that the gap, if it has shrunk, probably hasn't done so meaningfully. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On January 01 2016 06:42 Saradin wrote: It hinges on how much an owner wants to keep up. Wasn't that the logic for how the practice of sister teams spread initially in OGN? I'm sorry, I don't really understand your post. Might also be the alcohol. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
What I'm hinting at in the larger picture is, the question of how the owners, as a collective group, feel about this, and whether peer pressure comes into play when it comes to lobbying for/against certain policies. Always remember that no owner wants to pay more than they have to in order to attain what they specifically want. Edit: Another key thing to remember: owners as a whole are also pretty bad at self restraint. A fair amount of sports policy related to money can be traced back to the owners' self-awareness that if they don't ban or cap something, they probably wouldn't be able to control themselves from spending more than they'd like. Just things to keep in the back of the mind regarding politics between Riot and the owners. The owners do have a voice in these matters. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
I personally think that it'd just allow companies/people with a lot of money to throw around to invest more in the pro scene, which I think is a pretty good thing. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9131 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 01 2016 21:40 Prog wrote: Sister teams are just terrible from a spectator point of view. You can't create hype around Samsung 1 vs Samsung 2. It just does not make for a good story. And esports as a business is first and foremost entertainment, so the story is more important than anything else. I'm sorry, I forgot how terrible Samsung White vs Samsung Blue was in 2014. My b. /s | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On January 01 2016 22:41 Plexa wrote: I'm sorry, I forgot how terrible Samsung White vs Samsung Blue was in 2014. My b. /s I forgot this page transformed into reddit 2.0 and everyone forgot how to read with charity. Sorry. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On a side note: It is not an accident that two sister teams cannot both get into the highest league in traditional sports (you find something very similar to sister teams in football (soccer) everywhere in europe). | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
Ex. Subway Series between NY Yankees and NY Mets. Intra-city rivalry instead of a typical inter-city rivalry. Both types are interesting and can be appreciated by anyone as a casual fan or not. Except Samsung is actually owned by a single person/group but don't think that matters to a casual fan. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 01 2016 21:40 Prog wrote: Sister teams are just terrible from a spectator point of view. You can't create hype around Samsung 1 vs Samsung 2. It just does not make for a good story. And esports as a business is first and foremost entertainment, so the story is more important than anything else. On January 02 2016 00:15 Prog wrote: For bulding a story of two teams playing against each other you generally want to target at least three different audiences: Fans of team 1, fans of team 2 and neutral spectators. Whenever you have two sister teams play each other, you naturally get a lot of overlap between the first 2 target audiences. Moreover, you also create a situation in which neutral specators might think that nothing is on the line, because the team wins anyway. Sure, if you are heavily invested into the league scene you see differences that give you a sense that they are not the same team. However, if you are not that involved, you likely won't be pulled into viewing the event if it is advertised as "Samsung 1 vs Samsung 2". I believe that OGN/Riot thinks about storylines with the casual viewer in mind. Most people on this site would watch the games regardless what the teams are called, because we know the players and we love to watch the game. But there are lots of people for whom it makes a difference if they perceive a game as important. It is OGN's/Riot's job to make the games feel important. And it is easier to do so if both teams are not obvious sister teams. On a side note: It is not an accident that two sister teams cannot both get into the highest league in traditional sports (you find something very similar to sister teams in football (soccer) everywhere in europe). I agree, I could not care less about Samsung White vs. Samsung Blue in 2014 and all the storylines mentioned just sounded to me like (failed) desperate attempts to keep the matchup interesting. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
But inversely it can be argued that's a byproduct of the two Samsungs being the two strongest teams and it is important to remember that perspectives here and on /r/lol are skewed we are the hardcore that appreciate Korean league. Like insult reddit if you want, by virtue of them also following LPL/LCK they also sit on the hardcore side of the viewership. I understand if the people that like, play a few normals with friends then only watch Fnatic and TSM games would probably fail to understand the distinguishing factors between sister teams and they account for the majority of viewership. I understand both sides of the argument but I firmly sit on the side of pro-sister teams on the basis that it provides a better environment for the players (See Anarchy going full orphans for a year when they could have been say, KT Bullets) | ||
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