Team Liquid will be going headstrong into the 2016 season as the first NA LCS team to utilize a full 10-man roster, and leading this front will be Yoonsup "Locodoco" Choi, Team Liquid's new Head Coach. We came to this decision after countless off-line and onsite interviews. When comparing the progress being made with the team with Loco to alternatives it was clear amongst management and players that significant progress was being made under his management. He has embarked on developing a personnel structure of coaches, analysts and strategy coaches for all players, finalizing proprietary coaching/analytical software and working in very close capacity with Steve “LiQuiD112” to define and map out future improvements.
Personally, I'm pretty surprised at this turn of events given what liquid112 has said in the past about who the head coach was supposed to be. It's nice to see Loco get another chance, I think he will be beneficial to the team.
well this is interesting. TL seems to be getting every man they can though, like holy shit a 10 man roster + analysts +positional coaches + whatever more positions they listed there.
wondering what the full roster is though. it'll be funny if it's TLA. how do the rules work? can TL play their LCS lineup for NACS or ?
On December 31 2015 11:51 Faeny wrote: Personally, I'm pretty surprised at this turn of events given what liquid112 has said in the past about who the head coach was supposed to be. It's nice to see Loco get another chance, I think he will be beneficial to the team.
But the 10-man roster, I'm not so sure about.
I think the 10-man roster is the better part, since you get in house scrims when you can't scrim other teams (and organizing scrims even 3 years into LCS is still a fiasco).
But Locodoco has said a ton of times since his move to "content creator" on his vlog and other avenues that he didn't think he was right to be coach and didn't have the passion to dedicate to it more than just a basic job so not sure how much it will help improve the issues TL has had over the last season.
While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Same. Not to mention you can swap players only before champ select starts so there isn't really a "wasting bans" factor. All it does is make the roster of 5 practice less.
The game just isn't on a level where you would have a different starter depending on who you are playing against. I expect this to just be some trick to play around something and them to just use 5 starters and if someone sucks too much just try the other guy.
Don't think 10 man roster is really viable in LoL because there is always going to be a "best" roster and it's not like you need subs like in sports because of injuries and fatigue. Most players also don't really have a different champion pool, but only learn the top 3-4 optimal meta picks. Hope it works though and now they have a Coach that can communicate properly with Piglet and Fenix.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Not sure I like 10-man rosters, but I do know that I like sister teams even less. Please don't bring match-fixing into my competitive LoL.
After they brought him in as a content creator and what loco said and having a ten man roster? I really don't see this working out as well as they hoped.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Not sure I like 10-man rosters, but I do know that I like sister teams even less. Please don't bring match-fixing into my competitive LoL.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Not sure I like 10-man rosters, but I do know that I like sister teams even less. Please don't bring match-fixing into my competitive LoL.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Not sure I like 10-man rosters, but I do know that I like sister teams even less. Please don't bring match-fixing into my competitive LoL.
I disagree with someone therefore he's an idiot
Hey look, it's every nafta post ever
But it's legitimately retarded to claim that sister teams = matchfixing.
It has never happened and the only case which could throw people off was SKT T1 S losing to Optimus Prime 0-2 to give SKT T1 K chance to beat them in a tiebreaker match in OGN Spring 2014. Knowing SKT T1, accusing the whole team of the matchfixing is pretty retarded as well.
If you have arguments, then use them but blindly accusing sister teams of matchfixing instead of actually praising them for spending more resources into developing/grooming players is almost a bannable thing.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Not sure I like 10-man rosters, but I do know that I like sister teams even less. Please don't bring match-fixing into my competitive LoL.
I disagree with someone therefore he's an idiot
Hey look, it's every nafta post ever
But it's legitimately retarded to claim that sister teams = matchfixing.
It has never happened and the only case which could throw people off was SKT T1 S losing to Optimus Prime 0-2 to give SKT T1 K chance to beat them in a tiebreaker match in OGN Spring 2014. Knowing SKT T1, accusing the whole team of the matchfixing is pretty retarded as well.
If you have arguments, then use them but blindly accusing sister teams of matchfixing instead of actually praising them for spending more resources into developing/grooming players is almost a bannable thing.
You're saying it hasn't happened before, therefore it cannot happen ever? Yeah no. You're putting the incentive there, and expecting orgs to take the high ground and avoid the temptation every single time. And when Sister Team B is fighting for 9th place with another team, trying to avoid auto-relegation, and in one of the last games of the season it gets a win vs. Sister Team A, which didn't need the win because it was gonna finish 4th or 5th anyway? It won't look suspicious at all, I'm sure.
Sister teams doesn't guarantee matchfixing, but it definitely opens the door to it. I'd rather keep that door closed.
On December 31 2015 22:20 Ansibled wrote: If sister teams cause match fixing, I guess every SC pro needs to find an individual sponsor
I'm pretty sure every case of match fixing has been due to making money from gambling.
The incentive isn't the same for SC individual leagues. One player's gain is the others' loss, so it's a zero-sum game and you can't game the system with match-fixing there. In LoL, where one more win in the LCS regular split can mean the difference between being auto-relegated (and therefore losing your million-dollar spot) vs. getting a shot at the promotion tournament? The incentive to game the system with match-fixing is much, much greater.
On December 31 2015 17:37 Numy wrote: While I think 10 man rosters are good for teams I loathe the idea for the scene. Don't want even less players playing games. Just give us sister teams so we get to actually see these guys play. Really dislike how everyone is pushing this whole subs thing.
Also lukewarm about Loco head coach.
Not sure I like 10-man rosters, but I do know that I like sister teams even less. Please don't bring match-fixing into my competitive LoL.
I disagree with someone therefore he's an idiot
Hey look, it's every nafta post ever
But it's legitimately retarded to claim that sister teams = matchfixing.
It has never happened and the only case which could throw people off was SKT T1 S losing to Optimus Prime 0-2 to give SKT T1 K chance to beat them in a tiebreaker match in OGN Spring 2014. Knowing SKT T1, accusing the whole team of the matchfixing is pretty retarded as well.
If you have arguments, then use them but blindly accusing sister teams of matchfixing instead of actually praising them for spending more resources into developing/grooming players is almost a bannable thing.
You're saying it hasn't happened before, therefore it cannot happen ever? Yeah no. You're putting the incentive there, and expecting orgs to take the high ground and avoid the temptation every single time. And when Sister Team B is fighting for 9th place with another team, trying to avoid auto-relegation, and in one of the last games of the season it gets a win vs. Sister Team A, which didn't need the win because it was gonna finish 4th or 5th anyway? It won't look suspicious at all, I'm sure.
Sister teams doesn't guarantee matchfixing, but it definitely opens the door to it. I'd rather keep that door closed.
I better have the healthy ecosystem instead of half of the teams searching for the sponsors.
NA LCS is a literal epitome of "suspicious" due to its gameplay but noone has ever questioned it. LPL/LSPL has half of the league as members of the one conglomerate while almost all owners are related to each other.
But yea, let's claim that sister teams will matchfix when they can, 10/10.
I guess, EG and [A]lliance were matchfixing as well. Holy shit, this crossregional gambling. Sadly Winterfox and Elements couldn't outgamble the system.
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