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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
but if the top laner cant force a signifcant advantage (maybe jungler/top lane can 1v2 him easily) then top lane is way less valuable. If it turns into a normal 5v5 fighting/baron dance game then bot lane is the lane that will usually decide the game. mids job is really just supporting your bot and top lane at this rate, wave clearing is so easy. There are some outliers like zed and brand that can just completely dumpster mid or dumpste teamfights and take over a game | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 23 2015 18:59 IMoperator wrote: ehh idk, I think that bot lane in general has been on a steady decline since S2. Each season it just gets harder. I honestly just think the game in general has slowly gotten harder to solo carry, maybe your perceived feelings towards bot are just how it is for any solo player in general. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Its now dangerously close to being "worst player loses the game for his team, easily" They have almost completely tilted the scale the other way but its not quite there yet. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On December 24 2015 01:31 VayneAuthority wrote: it depends a lot on the game. If a top player is significantly better then the other one will get dumpstered and you will have to put a lot of resources into stopping them from just pushing down top lane. This is when it can feel like top lane is "deciding the game" and "op" but if the top laner cant force a signifcant advantage (maybe jungler/top lane can 1v2 him easily) then top lane is way less valuable. If it turns into a normal 5v5 fighting/baron dance game then bot lane is the lane that will usually decide the game. mids job is really just supporting your bot and top lane at this rate, wave clearing is so easy. There are some outliers like zed and brand that can just completely dumpster mid or dumpste teamfights and take over a game Well bot lane is the only lane that can farm and roam at the same time so obviously it is the most efficient to get going. Not a coincidence 5man fiestas still happen all the time. Nah zed is useless. He is only good if you are last pick and can see the enemy picks have nothing to handle you. Just pick lulu and take a big fat dump on him. There are too much cancer picks that are banned over her should be able to take her almost every game. As support just pick janna/nami/etc with exhaust and make him irrelevant. Champ is so fucking useless it makes me sad when people pick him on my team. It depends more on the picks who has more influence. Overall it feels like you have less influence because before people were much worse at the game and jungle+support were basically walking wards in s2. Those 2 roles have gotten stronger with every season in le solo. Just compare support gold gain now to last season lol. Or how junglers can outlevel laners very easily if you pick champs with fast clear like shyvana. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On December 24 2015 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: yea the game used to be heavily favored towards "best player wins the game for his team, easily" Its now dangerously close to being "worst player loses the game for his team, easily" They have almost completely tilted the scale the other way but its not quite there yet. I agree I would say right now more games are decided by which team has the weakest link rather then the strongest compared to last season. It's prolly about 50/50 spilt where normally unless a player is full blown trolling if his 4 teammates are all doing better then the enemy team they should be able to win.but this season if a lane feeds really hard the game can end so quickly off it. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Then again, it might just be preseason experimentation, and you have a lot more players playing "first time Azir" than normally. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 24 2015 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: yea the game used to be heavily favored towards "best player wins the game for his team, easily" Its now dangerously close to being "worst player loses the game for his team, easily" They have almost completely tilted the scale the other way but its not quite there yet. Being good is toxic, it's all about being the better team. In a game without voice chat  I wish they would go back to a more individual focus, makes watching pro games more interesting. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 24 2015 07:52 cLutZ wrote: Its not even really about game length and snowbally-ness. In many ways S3 was much more snowbally, and you would sometimes get 15 minute inhibs (which was much worse than a 15 min inhib now) even without "open mid". Its about who, or what causes the snowball. Which, by the way, all perception and it may be true that the Fakers and Wildturtles are winning on smurfs at exactly the same rate. But it does feel that games are decided less often by the player who is putting in an A+ effort than the one putting in a D or F. Then again, it might just be preseason experimentation, and you have a lot more players playing "first time Azir" than normally. I don't ever recall losing/winning a ranked game pre 20 minutes for season 3,4 or 5. But it's already happened 3 times to me in pre-season. Personally I think preseason is pretty fun. Probably the most fun I've had with the game since season early season 2/late season 1. IMO they just need to tune a couple more things, and s6 is looking pretty good. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 24 2015 01:48 Slusher wrote: I honestly just think the game in general has slowly gotten harder to solo carry, maybe your perceived feelings towards bot are just how it is for any solo player in general. Maybe. i got 2 accounts to diamond in S4 and peaked at D2, then I stopped playing for a good ~9 months or so, and I came back mid S5 and I've been stuck in mid plat for like 600+ games. i dont think i got that much worse after a break... | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
[6:21:01 PM] Kwanghee Woo: Apparently rain is diamond 2 in korea [6:21:08 PM] Kwanghee Woo: And plays top malphite [6:21:18 PM] Kwanghee Woo: Flash is similar, plays jungle eve | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
On December 24 2015 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: yea the game used to be heavily favored towards "best player wins the game for his team, easily" Its now dangerously close to being "worst player loses the game for his team, easily" They have almost completely tilted the scale the other way but its not quite there yet. thats what people said in s3,4 and 5. just search for reddit threads in the past years. its actually the opposite right now. the best player are snowballing so hard that games are lost before 20 minutes before you have the chance to group for a 5v5. its not like last few seasons where laning is irrelevant and the games went so far into late game that your worst player´s positioning loses you the game by getting caught. that complain just sounds like people crying over elo hell. its your perspetcive that the worst player loses you the game because YOU are on the losing team. lol | ||
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
On December 25 2015 08:26 Harem wrote: As a random side note: [6:21:01 PM] Kwanghee Woo: Apparently rain is diamond 2 in korea [6:21:08 PM] Kwanghee Woo: And plays top malphite [6:21:18 PM] Kwanghee Woo: Flash is similar, plays jungle eve My body is ready. If KR still had sister teams...man... | ||
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