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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
Sadly the rageblade stacks didn't go up 3 at a time, and while the onhit damage from rageblade hit the extra targets, it didn't seem to splash properly  | ||
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kongoline
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Actually the problem with both Kalista and Vayne is both the damage and the mobility. They should have to pay some kind of price for that ridiculous mobility, but damage clearly isn't it. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
im fine with her mobility(not kalista fuck that champion and person who thought dash every auto is a good idea) but the dmg is excessive and has 0 counterplay theres nothing i can build to survive more than few hits only way is one shot her which is super hard and relays on your team having specific champions, the fact now u cant reveal her with trinket makes it even more frustrating | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Kalista... well her dps is supposed to be weak I guess? No steroid, so same she doesn't take towers fast, and her autos deal reduced damage. Her passive also makes her lose dps past some point I think? Isn't she technically nerfed atm because BotRK has been made worse (both nerfed itself, and weaker compared to its competition) while Hurricane loses AS, weakening the AS/on-hit synergy (for Rend in her case) and making her rely more on crit when hers deal less damage than other marksmen? One champ that doesn't really have a weakness apart from no dash and no instaclear atm is MF. The trinket lets you hit Vayne with skillshots, although it seems that rather than a shade of its model, a stealthed champion appears as an "afterimage" of its position every 0.5s, making high MS champs hard to track. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 18 2015 23:57 Alaric wrote: Vayne has no reach outside of her aa range, no waveclear and her steroids only work on units, so she's super strong in a fight but can't push, take towers quickly, or siege well. She's also supposed to be vulnerable in lane to champions who can either outtrade her (pre-work Graves, Corki, Lucian with frontloaded burst) or poke her out (Caitlyn). Kalista... well her dps is supposed to be weak I guess? No steroid, so same she doesn't take towers fast, and her autos deal reduced damage. Her passive also makes her lose dps past some point I think? Isn't she technically nerfed atm because BotRK has been made worse (both nerfed itself, and weaker compared to its competition) while Hurricane loses AS, weakening the AS/on-hit synergy (for Rend in her case) and making her rely more on crit when hers deal less damage than other marksmen? One champ that doesn't really have a weakness apart from no dash and no instaclear atm is MF. The trinket lets you hit Vayne with skillshots, although it seems that rather than a shade of its model, a stealthed champion appears as an "afterimage" of its position every 0.5s, making high MS champs hard to track. Kalista isn't a good single target DPS champion anymore, since she's pretty much exclusively built Runaans now, her multi target DPS isn't too bad, especially if she gets big rend stacks on three or more (which is pretty hard, granted). Idk if you can say her turret taking power is weaker than most other ADC, she's building straight DPS, no crit which means that she hits towers hard. Doesn't compare to tower killers like Jinx or Trist though. MF is a pretty BS champ atm, the punishment of being hit by her Q through the minion wave is pretty insane, it basically means that having range advantage can be a bad thing since it means when you're standing behind the wave you are susceptible to being hit by a Q worthy of being an IE crit. I wouldn't say she's blatantly broken, but her damage can be pretty scary, and Essence Reaver puts her ult on a pretty low CD, making it actually useful. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On November 18 2015 23:24 Nos- wrote: handcannon + shiv might just be a little too good together for someone like vayne right now That build just got pretty nerfed now that warlords is hotfixed. Now you cant freely stay in lane farming minions due to the sustain it gave. Gosu tried that build a few times last night after hotfix was live and was dumpstered hard each time. (probably still great build if you have a soraka though) Feels like bork is back to being ideal first item on vayne, even saw stixxay do bork shiv rfc last night vs sneaky which seems promising as you get the sustain vayne wants but also the shiv plus rfc proc that does silly damage atm (also shiv is on the pbe nerf block where the shiv proc does less damage but has bettet waveclear) | ||
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On November 19 2015 00:30 DarkCore wrote: Kalista isn't a good single target DPS champion anymore, since she's pretty much exclusively built Runaans now, her multi target DPS isn't too bad, especially if she gets big rend stacks on three or more (which is pretty hard, granted). Idk if you can say her turret taking powbuter is weaker than most other ADC, she's building straight DPS, no crit which means that she hits towers hard. Doesn't compare to tower killers like Jinx or Trist though. MF is a pretty BS champ atm, the punishment of being hit by her Q through the minion wave is pretty insane, it basically means that having range advantage can be a bad thing since it means when you're standing behind the wave you are susceptible to being hit by a Q worthy of being an IE crit. I wouldn't say she's blatantly broken, but her damage can be pretty scary, and Essence Reaver puts her ult on a pretty low CD, making it actually useful. Runaans gives crit now so people are building stuff like IE again on her | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
MF is hilarious, I chunked a Rammus for like 1/3 of his health on about equal items. Also her ult does huge damage, it's absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
What I was getting at is that with Hurricane's AS drastically reduced and BotRK nerfed, the on-hit route isn't worth it anymore, and Kalista ends up with a similar build to other marksmen, which has about as much AS but she still doesn't have a steroid and kept her aa damage reduction, so she's comparatively worse than them at killing towers now. About MF, she's got great AoE damage from her ult, good burst thanks to her passive if she has to switch targets, and excellent dps because of her steroid (mainly because it's so easy to rise its duration to 9 seconds, 6 is basically built in). The strength of her steroid makes her good at killing towers. Between her E and Q bounce+passive, she's good at harassing during sieges too, so her weaknesses are basically the lack of a dash, poor waveclear, and awful aa and ult animations (seriously). Basically, she's good at too many things, or too good at them for how many she has access too. Having ~180 armour, her no LW yet, I took 1300 damage from her ult head-on (I went to 200 armour, she bought LW, I took 1500 damage for a slightly less complete ult). Buffing it was a thing, but making it scale with crit was both inelegant/forced, and over the top in terms of power. If you combine such an ult and her passive in close-quarters, there's basically no good situation against her. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
For example set her up as a marksman taking potshots by positioning on the edges of the fight, combining Struts and E's strong slow, and providing additional damage on the backline by with Q bounces triggering Love Tap. Now she gets both, and stupid high amounts of dps too because of her steroid. It's like Thresh doing it all, something has to give (well Thresh doesn't rely on numbers so he still does everything). | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On November 19 2015 03:18 krndandaman wrote: maybe people just have to get better at respecting these new ranges but I still think it's dumb a champion like vayne can threaten from 800 range with very low CD. raise the cd or something and perhaps it'll be fine. or unique passive so it doesnt stack with shiv? anything so that you don't have ridiculous crit burst waveclear poke range ADDMOREHERE. I think they need to make it unique passives: only the stronger proc should apply, as with multiple sheen items. Also the wiki suggests (it's not confirmed) than each item generates stacks so you get to use even more often, as if it wasn't dumb enough. I don't know if it's real but it clearly genertes very fast compared to old shiv. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 18 2015 23:24 Nos- wrote: handcannon + shiv might just be a little too good together for someone like vayne right now RFC/Shiv is probably too strong on all AD's. Its just a huge amount of surplus magic damage, kite(move speed and attack speed), and scaling [both in the crit mastery lifesteal and in the fact that you can tack on IE and an LW item and/or ER. @krndandaman 700 range not 800, but still insane. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
'cept it's also the ultimate combo to stand up and fight since it provides 60% crit, ridiculous frontloaded burst for a pair intended for the sustained damage class, and a bunch of AS/MS. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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