[Patch 5.17] League of Legends General Discussion - Page 15

On September 09 2015 01:36 Gahlo wrote:

You can't look up duos anymore iirc. Too many duos were being harassed when they didn't do well or defended their partner from an asshole.

On September 09 2015 01:30 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I feel like the majority of complaints about tiers are really just proxies for complaints that you are not in the tier you believe you deserve to be in. Yeah, it's hard to rank up and win promos if your win rate isn't that good. That's what's supposed to happen! If you're winning 70+% of your games and still unable to rank up, then I have some sympathy, but when some redditor is bitching about the League system being unfair when they sport a 45% win rate in Bronze II - dude, you'd be complaining about ranked no matter what system was being used.

More generally, having clearly-defined breakpoints and obscuring MMR with tiers is more meaningful than trying to encapsulate skill in a single number. It allows us to draw generalizations and say "Platinum player" and "Silver player", and have that mean something.

On September 08 2015 23:49 nafta wrote:
If teams are even mmr it would make sense since red side is supposed to be higher to remove the "favored" blue side advantage.

On September 09 2015 01:54 Sonnington wrote:

Red side also always has a higher mmr than blue side to even out the blue side advantage. I, personally, don't see much of a difference, but a lot of people complain about going bot lane on red side. Also, you can't argue that the screen widens on the top part and contracts on the bottom part making it easier to see what's coming at you from the top of the screen. It's like the way SC2's minimap camera positioning shows.

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The camera widens at the top and contracts at the bottom due to the isometric perspective. Along with that, the hud is at the bottom of the screen which can obstruct view from the red side. I guess you could also argue Baron is safer to do on blue side than red side due to the pit opening up to the blue side. So it's less risky to ward the river and do scuttle when you're on blue side. The causes of blue side advantage are arguable, but the fact blue side wins 5% more than red side doesn't change.

On September 09 2015 01:52 nafta wrote:

What is the difference between platinum 3 player or "insert random number bracket" player? The only difference is you can't see your actual mmr while before you could.

Obviously this is assuming promos are no different from regular games matchmaking wise.

On September 09 2015 01:30 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I feel like the majority of complaints about tiers are really just proxies for complaints that you are not in the tier you believe you deserve to be in. Yeah, it's hard to rank up and win promos if your win rate isn't that good. That's what's supposed to happen! If you're winning 70+% of your games and still unable to rank up, then I have some sympathy, but when some redditor is bitching about the League system being unfair when they sport a 45% win rate in Bronze II - dude, you'd be complaining about ranked no matter what system was being used.

More generally, having clearly-defined breakpoints and obscuring MMR with tiers is more meaningful than trying to encapsulate skill in a single number. It allows us to draw generalizations and say "Platinum player" and "Silver player", and have that mean something.

On September 09 2015 02:43 Nos- wrote:

don't they match you against stronger opponents during promos?

On September 09 2015 03:16 739 wrote:
http://eune.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=milanmarkovbrat

Seems like jungle Zilean is a thing.

On September 08 2015 23:56 Caiada wrote:
The current system would be great if confirmation bias didn't exist and telling people the system will eventually put them in the right place actually worked. Unfortunately, well, reality.

It's still better than Elo. If people understood the system and allowed for variance, it'd be perfect. But it's underexplained and trying to tell people that Gold V guy in your Silver II game isn't any better than you are and probably isn't the reason you lost doesn't work.

On September 09 2015 03:32 krndandaman wrote:
looks like some random low silver account boosted by a high elo player.

i mean we've had a teemo jungle only challenger, won't be too shocked by anything jungle to diamond.

On September 09 2015 03:50 cLutZ wrote:


Why is it better than ELO if the ELO system can be easily just pasted on top of the Bronze V - Diamond I system (sans promos and demotion) with a +/- variance number like any statistical study has?

On September 09 2015 05:10 Caiada wrote:


Personal feelings of progress, keeping people playing, all the people posting 'hey, I finally got Gold V' on forums who'd get to whatever Elo that was equivalent to beforehand and be a lot more scared of playing. More delineated tiers instead of faceless numbers. Ups and downs across playing instead of the flat grind of getting one number higher.