|
|
|
On August 02 2015 05:31 Sufficiency wrote:He is not donezo is he?
quite the opposite. his drive is insane
|
On August 02 2015 05:47 Frolossus wrote:quite the opposite. his drive is insane
Thanks. I was too lazy to digest it myself.
|
On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.
Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems. They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/
True, but it's worth to make every lane auto push forever. It makes getting picks a breeze and basically gives you complete map control all the time.
|
|
|
On August 02 2015 05:56 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 04:43 AlterKot wrote:On August 02 2015 04:39 JimmiC wrote:
I think the point is there is constructive criticism and bitching. People on both ends mistake both for the other. Giving feedback at how you would like it to be better is fine. Saying it's awful the world is ending and u are quitting lol is ridic. What if that's how I genuinely feel? I haven't played League in more than a week, at what point will I convince you that I really think this UI is horrible? U don't have to convince me of anything, in fact you could just play ranked and use old UI.
For 4 more days 
|
Oh crap, so i had forgotten about this.
Earlier in the thread i did some basic damage calcs for Zekes Harbinger, comparing it to Ardent Censor. In it i erroneously listed the damage bonus that Zekes gives you at about 30%. This number is too low.
In actuality Zekes gives a damage bonus from between 56.7% and 37% depending on your items. This is because i erroneously figured that the IE crit damage bonus would be neutral between having or not having zekes and so ignored it.
Rather. If you have no crit items, Zekes gives you +50% damage on your auto attacks[1.5/1.0]. If you have PD only it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks[1.85/1.35]. If you have IE only it gives 56.7% damage on your auto attacks [2.05/1.3]. If you have IE and PD it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks [2.5/1.825]
How this changes optimal AD itemization I am not sure. I would not be surprised to find that it skews away from crit items and towards just having IE and maybe Ghostblade or even getting those super late and going for BT/Ghostblade early. But I am sure that Zekes absolutely trounces Ardent Censer unless you can get Censer on your entire team pretty consistently (and they can make use of it)
|
On August 02 2015 05:52 Sonnington wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.
Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems. They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/ True, but it's worth to make every lane auto push forever. It makes getting picks a breeze and basically gives you complete map control all the time.
I haven't played as a role that doesn't have amazing sustain so far so I'm not sure how scary they are. Usually I just clear the whole wave and end up with more health than I started with. Also I thought their dps was mostly for champions. If you want the wave to push ocklepod shields probably help more, and it's easier to make picks when the enemy over-extends by pushing a wave.
I've literally heard the exact opposite, to never get Razorfins because of the doublegold issue.
|
On August 02 2015 06:07 Goumindong wrote:
Oh crap, so i had forgotten about this.
Earlier in the thread i did some basic damage calcs for Zekes Harbinger, comparing it to Ardent Censor. In it i erroneously listed the damage bonus that Zekes gives you at about 30%. This number is too low.
In actuality Zekes gives a damage bonus from between 56.7% and 37% depending on your items. This is because i erroneously figured that the IE crit damage bonus would be neutral between having or not having zekes and so ignored it.
Rather. If you have no crit items, Zekes gives you +50% damage on your auto attacks[1.5/1.0]. If you have PD only it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks[1.85/1.35]. If you have IE only it gives 56.7% damage on your auto attacks [2.05/1.3]. If you have IE and PD it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks [2.5/1.825]
How this changes optimal AD itemization I am not sure. I would not be surprised to find that it skews away from crit items and towards just having IE and maybe Ghostblade or even getting those super late and going for BT/Ghostblade early. But I am sure that Zekes absolutely trounces Ardent Censer unless you can get Censer on your entire team pretty consistently (and they can make use of it)
I can picture Draven being terror with a Zekes on the team then since he totally loves AD and ArPen. Some sort of IE/Bruta/BT(?)/LW(?) build sounds scary.
|
Frankly anything with Zekes is scary. PD gives 35% crit and 50% AS for 2800 gold. Assuming you have Boots 2, 15% AS runes,5% AS mastery, and say 25% AS from level scaling then PD is worth about 35% more Attacks/Second. [this goes down as you get more AS buffs from levels/other soruces]
So if you have IE then PD is worth about 40% damage from crits and 35% damage from AS for a roughly 90% DPS increase.
So Zekes alone is 56% on that. Its worth about 60% of a PD in terms of DPS. Zekes on top of this is a 36% damage increase. You just wreck things when its active.
|
On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.
Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems. They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/
Yeah, they fuck you up pretty hard. They also run faster than you so if you're fighting in a minion wave they're always on top of you.
|
On August 02 2015 06:42 Goumindong wrote:
Frankly anything with Zekes is scary. PD gives 35% crit and 50% AS for 2800 gold. Assuming you have Boots 2, 15% AS runes,5% AS mastery, and say 25% AS from level scaling then PD is worth about 35% more Attacks/Second. [this goes down as you get more AS buffs from levels/other soruces]
So if you have IE then PD is worth about 40% damage from crits and 35% damage from AS for a roughly 90% DPS increase.
So Zekes alone is 56% on that. Its worth about 60% of a PD in terms of DPS. Zekes on top of this is a 36% damage increase. You just wreck things when its active.
Well i mean Draven doesn't care about attack speed relatively speaking no? I would think boots 2 + yommus active is all you care for (+runes and masteries).
|
On August 02 2015 06:55 Ethelis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 06:42 Goumindong wrote:
Frankly anything with Zekes is scary. PD gives 35% crit and 50% AS for 2800 gold. Assuming you have Boots 2, 15% AS runes,5% AS mastery, and say 25% AS from level scaling then PD is worth about 35% more Attacks/Second. [this goes down as you get more AS buffs from levels/other soruces]
So if you have IE then PD is worth about 40% damage from crits and 35% damage from AS for a roughly 90% DPS increase.
So Zekes alone is 56% on that. Its worth about 60% of a PD in terms of DPS. Zekes on top of this is a 36% damage increase. You just wreck things when its active. Well i mean Draven doesn't care about attack speed relatively speaking no? I would think boots 2 + yommus active is all you care for (+runes and masteries).
Yes. I was just saying that its not just insane on Draven. Its a lot of damage regardless of what AD you're playing with
|
On August 02 2015 06:51 Sonnington wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.
Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems. They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/ Yeah, they fuck you up pretty hard. They also run faster than you so if you're fighting in a minion wave they're always on top of you.
Wow I got wrecked by a 4 razorfin + 1 ocko comp. I didn't expect them to do that much damage and I was playing morde so I couldn't use Hydra to lifesteal from them. They killed me once and gave Taric a triple in another fight. Those razorfins hurt.
I couldn't get my team to try the same thing the next game. It's hard to coordinate yoloqueue.
I think any comp needs one ocko. The shield it gives is great!
|
Zeke's is so good that it's worth building 2 of on your team tbh
Top/jungle -> mid, supp/ad
|
Not really.A lot of people ignore that it has low range and it really limits your positioning in fights.
|
The damage of Twitch with Zeke's and a Janna shield is absolutely beautiful to watch.
|
The real interesting thing about zekes is that Ashe isn't bound by the same damage cap other champions are, because she can eclipse 100% crit (and so 160% bonus crit damage). So even if she has IE and two PDs she still gains 30% damage from zekes. (Edit: plus Ashe is one of the few champions whose ability set interacts with crit)
|
|
|
For those who don't reddit. Fenix almost understands american slang.
+ Show Spoiler +
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/6vZswfJ.jpg)
