• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:22
CEST 17:22
KST 00:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak1DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview0herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025)15Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure6Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho4
Community News
EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)1Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results212025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)14Code S Season 1 - Classic & GuMiho advance to RO4 (2025)4
StarCraft 2
General
DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview Any reason why RuFF's stream is still on sidebar? Power Rank: October 2018 herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025) Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S Season 1 - RO4 and Grand Finals EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series DreamHack Dallas 2025 announced (May 23-25) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed
Brood War
General
[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak who is JiriKara /Cipisek/ from CZ Practice Partners (Official) BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Any ASL fans around Vancouver?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 16883 users

[Patch 5.14] Bilgewater General Discussion - Page 38

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 46 Next All
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 01 2015 20:31 GMT
#741
On August 02 2015 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/GambitDiamondprox/posts/705603816210583

Diamond made a post which is basically recapping his thoughts and experiences on gambit from when he got benched for Loulex to today. Good read featuring a bitch session about forg1ven's ban.


He is not donezo is he?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 01 2015 20:47 GMT
#742
On August 02 2015 05:31 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/GambitDiamondprox/posts/705603816210583

Diamond made a post which is basically recapping his thoughts and experiences on gambit from when he got benched for Loulex to today. Good read featuring a bitch session about forg1ven's ban.


He is not donezo is he?

quite the opposite. his drive is insane
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 01 2015 20:52 GMT
#743
On August 02 2015 05:47 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 05:31 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 02 2015 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/GambitDiamondprox/posts/705603816210583

Diamond made a post which is basically recapping his thoughts and experiences on gambit from when he got benched for Loulex to today. Good read featuring a bitch session about forg1ven's ban.


He is not donezo is he?

quite the opposite. his drive is insane


Thanks. I was too lazy to digest it myself.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
August 01 2015 20:52 GMT
#744
On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.

Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems.

They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/


True, but it's worth to make every lane auto push forever. It makes getting picks a breeze and basically gives you complete map control all the time.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 01 2015 20:56 GMT
#745
--- Nuked ---
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
August 01 2015 21:06 GMT
#746
On August 02 2015 05:56 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 04:43 AlterKot wrote:
On August 02 2015 04:39 JimmiC wrote:
I think the point is there is constructive criticism and bitching. People on both ends mistake both for the other. Giving feedback at how you would like it to be better is fine. Saying it's awful the world is ending and u are quitting lol is ridic.

What if that's how I genuinely feel? I haven't played League in more than a week, at what point will I convince you that I really think this UI is horrible?


U don't have to convince me of anything, in fact you could just play ranked and use old UI.

For 4 more days
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 01 2015 21:07 GMT
#747
Oh crap, so i had forgotten about this.

Earlier in the thread i did some basic damage calcs for Zekes Harbinger, comparing it to Ardent Censor. In it i erroneously listed the damage bonus that Zekes gives you at about 30%. This number is too low.

In actuality Zekes gives a damage bonus from between 56.7% and 37% depending on your items. This is because i erroneously figured that the IE crit damage bonus would be neutral between having or not having zekes and so ignored it.

Rather. If you have no crit items, Zekes gives you +50% damage on your auto attacks[1.5/1.0]. If you have PD only it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks[1.85/1.35]. If you have IE only it gives 56.7% damage on your auto attacks [2.05/1.3]. If you have IE and PD it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks [2.5/1.825]

How this changes optimal AD itemization I am not sure. I would not be surprised to find that it skews away from crit items and towards just having IE and maybe Ghostblade or even getting those super late and going for BT/Ghostblade early. But I am sure that Zekes absolutely trounces Ardent Censer unless you can get Censer on your entire team pretty consistently (and they can make use of it)
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-01 23:35:51
August 01 2015 21:09 GMT
#748
On August 02 2015 05:52 Sonnington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.

Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems.

They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/


True, but it's worth to make every lane auto push forever. It makes getting picks a breeze and basically gives you complete map control all the time.

I haven't played as a role that doesn't have amazing sustain so far so I'm not sure how scary they are. Usually I just clear the whole wave and end up with more health than I started with. Also I thought their dps was mostly for champions. If you want the wave to push ocklepod shields probably help more, and it's easier to make picks when the enemy over-extends by pushing a wave.

I've literally heard the exact opposite, to never get Razorfins because of the doublegold issue.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
August 01 2015 21:27 GMT
#749
On August 02 2015 06:07 Goumindong wrote:
Oh crap, so i had forgotten about this.

Earlier in the thread i did some basic damage calcs for Zekes Harbinger, comparing it to Ardent Censor. In it i erroneously listed the damage bonus that Zekes gives you at about 30%. This number is too low.

In actuality Zekes gives a damage bonus from between 56.7% and 37% depending on your items. This is because i erroneously figured that the IE crit damage bonus would be neutral between having or not having zekes and so ignored it.

Rather. If you have no crit items, Zekes gives you +50% damage on your auto attacks[1.5/1.0]. If you have PD only it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks[1.85/1.35]. If you have IE only it gives 56.7% damage on your auto attacks [2.05/1.3]. If you have IE and PD it gives you 37% damage on your auto attacks [2.5/1.825]

How this changes optimal AD itemization I am not sure. I would not be surprised to find that it skews away from crit items and towards just having IE and maybe Ghostblade or even getting those super late and going for BT/Ghostblade early. But I am sure that Zekes absolutely trounces Ardent Censer unless you can get Censer on your entire team pretty consistently (and they can make use of it)


I can picture Draven being terror with a Zekes on the team then since he totally loves AD and ArPen. Some sort of IE/Bruta/BT(?)/LW(?) build sounds scary.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 01 2015 21:42 GMT
#750
Frankly anything with Zekes is scary. PD gives 35% crit and 50% AS for 2800 gold. Assuming you have Boots 2, 15% AS runes,5% AS mastery, and say 25% AS from level scaling then PD is worth about 35% more Attacks/Second. [this goes down as you get more AS buffs from levels/other soruces]

So if you have IE then PD is worth about 40% damage from crits and 35% damage from AS for a roughly 90% DPS increase.

So Zekes alone is 56% on that. Its worth about 60% of a PD in terms of DPS. Zekes on top of this is a 36% damage increase. You just wreck things when its active.
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-01 22:25:20
August 01 2015 21:51 GMT
#751
On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.

Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems.

They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/

Yeah, they fuck you up pretty hard. They also run faster than you so if you're fighting in a minion wave they're always on top of you.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
August 01 2015 21:55 GMT
#752
On August 02 2015 06:42 Goumindong wrote:
Frankly anything with Zekes is scary. PD gives 35% crit and 50% AS for 2800 gold. Assuming you have Boots 2, 15% AS runes,5% AS mastery, and say 25% AS from level scaling then PD is worth about 35% more Attacks/Second. [this goes down as you get more AS buffs from levels/other soruces]

So if you have IE then PD is worth about 40% damage from crits and 35% damage from AS for a roughly 90% DPS increase.

So Zekes alone is 56% on that. Its worth about 60% of a PD in terms of DPS. Zekes on top of this is a 36% damage increase. You just wreck things when its active.


Well i mean Draven doesn't care about attack speed relatively speaking no? I would think boots 2 + yommus active is all you care for (+runes and masteries).
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 01 2015 22:02 GMT
#753
On August 02 2015 06:55 Ethelis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 06:42 Goumindong wrote:
Frankly anything with Zekes is scary. PD gives 35% crit and 50% AS for 2800 gold. Assuming you have Boots 2, 15% AS runes,5% AS mastery, and say 25% AS from level scaling then PD is worth about 35% more Attacks/Second. [this goes down as you get more AS buffs from levels/other soruces]

So if you have IE then PD is worth about 40% damage from crits and 35% damage from AS for a roughly 90% DPS increase.

So Zekes alone is 56% on that. Its worth about 60% of a PD in terms of DPS. Zekes on top of this is a 36% damage increase. You just wreck things when its active.


Well i mean Draven doesn't care about attack speed relatively speaking no? I would think boots 2 + yommus active is all you care for (+runes and masteries).

Yes. I was just saying that its not just insane on Draven. Its a lot of damage regardless of what AD you're playing with
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-01 23:48:41
August 01 2015 23:35 GMT
#754
On August 02 2015 06:51 Sonnington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2015 05:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 02 2015 05:05 Sonnington wrote:
OK guys, Razorfins are OP as shiatsu. Just level up abilities first and they chase down champions with a lot of move speed and double in number. There's no reason to pick anything but Razorfins.

Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, the new UI is superior in almost every way. The vast majority of people complaining are complaining because it's different, not because it has obvious problems.

They're the best for damage but they give the enemy double gold at rank 3 :/

Yeah, they fuck you up pretty hard. They also run faster than you so if you're fighting in a minion wave they're always on top of you.

Wow I got wrecked by a 4 razorfin + 1 ocko comp. I didn't expect them to do that much damage and I was playing morde so I couldn't use Hydra to lifesteal from them. They killed me once and gave Taric a triple in another fight. Those razorfins hurt.

I couldn't get my team to try the same thing the next game. It's hard to coordinate yoloqueue.

I think any comp needs one ocko. The shield it gives is great!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 02 2015 00:21 GMT
#755
Zeke's is so good that it's worth building 2 of on your team tbh

Top/jungle -> mid, supp/ad
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 02 2015 00:27 GMT
#756
Not really.A lot of people ignore that it has low range and it really limits your positioning in fights.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
August 02 2015 00:51 GMT
#757
The damage of Twitch with Zeke's and a Janna shield is absolutely beautiful to watch.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-02 05:33:36
August 02 2015 05:26 GMT
#758
The real interesting thing about zekes is that Ashe isn't bound by the same damage cap other champions are, because she can eclipse 100% crit (and so 160% bonus crit damage). So even if she has IE and two PDs she still gains 30% damage from zekes. (Edit: plus Ashe is one of the few champions whose ability set interacts with crit)
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-02 09:08:55
August 02 2015 08:54 GMT
#759
Wrong thread
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
August 02 2015 10:25 GMT
#760
For those who don't reddit. Fenix almost understands american slang.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 46 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
10:00
2025 GSL S1 - Playoffs
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 55615
Calm 9256
Rain 3744
Sea 2228
Horang2 1488
EffOrt 1006
Mini 306
Zeus 233
Rush 204
Barracks 135
[ Show more ]
Leta 114
Dewaltoss 107
Mong 73
Sea.KH 44
Killer 39
Sexy 37
Aegong 34
Terrorterran 26
Noble 17
Shine 9
ivOry 4
JulyZerg 3
Stormgate
RushiSC42
Dota 2
Gorgc9471
qojqva2328
Counter-Strike
markeloff626
edward99
kRYSTAL_55
ceh927
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King131
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor161
Other Games
B2W.Neo1896
hiko764
Mlord451
DeMusliM378
crisheroes355
ArmadaUGS151
ToD146
SortOf138
QueenE85
Trikslyr29
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 719
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 11
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 131
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV277
League of Legends
• Nemesis3738
• Jankos1491
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 38m
OSC
8h 38m
Replay Cast
18h 38m
Road to EWC
23h 38m
Replay Cast
1d 18h
SC Evo League
1d 20h
Road to EWC
1d 23h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Soulkey
Road to EWC
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
SOOP
4 days
NightMare vs Wayne
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
5 days
Online Event
5 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
GSL Code S
6 days
GuMiho vs Bunny
ByuN vs SHIN
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-16
2025 GSL S1
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

Rose Open S1
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.