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On August 03 2015 14:27 Gahlo wrote:
So, I'm curious when people will realize how OP Banner is on AP junglers.
Probably around the time Ekko gets the changes/nerfs to his kit as Riot attempts to stop tanky jungle Ekko, and instead just makes him even stronger.
So, probably in time for Worlds.
In all seriousness, AP junglers are still not too popular in the meta, with the only real successful ones right now being Nidalee (because spears) and Ekko (because timey-wimey-shenanigans). Diana is seeing more play as a mid than a jungler in China, Kayle goes for Devourers instead of Runeglaive (though she would benefit from Banner's stats overall), Cho takes too long to ramp up, Amumu...
Actually, Amumu might become a meta pick again once people realize they can build banner on him. Gives him HP (for tankiness), AP (for ult + tears), and CDR (for more bandages and ults), and it doesn't interfere in the normal mentality of, "get HP/stats, become the unkillable sad mummy" build of Cinderhulk, Aegis item, Randuins, Banshees, Thornmail with Merc. Treads.
Fizz could potentially build it, if we see him return to the jungle I mean. Gragas could as well, same for Nautilus and Sejuani.
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Honestly forgot about Elise, she hasn't been relevant at all in season 5, or the latter half of season 4 for that matter. She'd benefit from it too, and I could see the competitive scene pick her up again.
Also in time for Worlds.
So, let's do a bit of theory-crafting. We're pretty sure that the Worlds patch is either 5.15 or 5.16, if Riot's schedule of releasing patches every 2 weeks holds up, and that tournament realm patch is (usually) a patch behind live servers. As things stand, what is your sleeper champ that'll show up at Worlds and alter the meta?
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She is quite relevant right now.Worlds is gonna be on 5.17/8 and there will be changes in 15/16 for the fighters and probably some other stuff.
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I see Diana jungle with nashor's and devourer being the surprise OP of worlds.
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Competitive scene is basically drooling over the prospect of elise. She might have the biggest impact on playoffs/worlds because her relevance changes the balance of power over towards teams with better junglers. If she is competitive with Gragas/Rek Sai, she poses a reliable mechanical threat (unlike Nidalee) which would mean teams like Koo Tigers lose a ban, it might be the end of the Ambition experiment, and QG/iG (assuming KaKAO gets on form) become much greater threats.
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Did Riot announce that Worlds will be played on the new HUD? or nah
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it will be, pros are qqing about it iirc
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On August 03 2015 14:27 Gahlo wrote:
So, I'm curious when people will realize how OP Banner is on AP junglers.
Isn't the extra 200 health and shield generally more relevant than to 60AP and minion upgrade? Usually Jungle is treated as a roaming Support in that they're responsible for vision and (unless playing a late game carry ala Nidalee) build selflessly. Even historically, jungles rarely build more damage than Jungle Item, one 3k+ item and Last Whisper/Void Staff. As I recall, quite often on Kha'zix you'd still build 2 defensive items (usually Randuin's and Locket/Banshee's Veil). Plus the EHP the shield gives tends to be more important. I think that's why support (who usually get Aegis #2) tend to build Banner more often. It helps with seiging and the EHP theirs will give will tend to be less effective (as they are less likely to be around players with tanky stats).
edit: This isn't even taking into account that there's a decent shot at Jungler and/or Top may be more likely to build Zeke's now in specific comps (e.g. with a burst mage). It doesn't provide health, but the burst damage gain between the two champs is significantly higher than Banner would be be statically. Zeke's on Nidalee is likely a strong build after Runeglaive-RoA-Deathcap. With scaling CDR blues, Sorcery, Runeglaive and Zeke's you're essentially at 40% CDR, have more 15 more Mpen because you don't buy Lucidity boots, lose less health/mana in the jungle due to armor and have higher burst damage especially with the multiple casts from switching forms.
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On August 04 2015 03:05 MooMooMugi wrote:
Did Riot announce that Worlds will be played on the new HUD? or nah
The hud comes to ranked 5.15 and I think they said worlds will be on 5.17 or 5.18 so I would take that as a yes.
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elise is more then relevant. On the current patch, in the hands of pros...probably the strongest jungler on this current patch. hitting ANY cocoon is basically a free kill since she can do 75% of your health easily as follow up. she barely even needs a lane to help her. sooo dangerous as a counterjungler due to her being slippery as well. in the hands of some one like rush or reignover she would be a nightmare to face
and now you guys know how I weep from the nasus remake with all these new art changes, thank god they came out with archduke nasus so he could be goofy again. that new shitty super angry nasus base skin still makes me salty
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On August 04 2015 02:51 Atokad wrote:
I see Diana jungle with nashor's and devourer being the surprise OP of worlds.
For me I see this but switching in Kayle for Diana. Devourer/Hurricane is dirt cheap and imagine Kayle in a Juggermaw comp.
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What reason is there to take Devourer over Runeglaive for Diana? It seems like Runeglaive would be stronger.
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kayle could be like a niche pick against a passive team like TSM or the Korean team with madlife on it (cant remember name) but you cant play devourer junglers vs aggressive teams, wont work. See C9 vs tsm where they picked shyvana knowing they could get away with it
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The problem with Diana jungle is that she doesn't offer much. She gets less gold so her split push threat and burst is reduced. She's essentially locked in to building Runeglaive which lessens her early game burst; especially since her cool downs are a bit on the longer side early. She offers very little CC and little past dive potential. Her jungle clear is great, but her early game skirmish isn't good and she's quite blue dependent pre-Runeglaive. You can't really build RoA ever and can't build Rylai's until late in order to take advantage of her shield and partial defensive stats (from abyssal/Zhonya's). She loves Zeke's but needs another diving mid/top who can take advantage of the AP/Burst. She doesn't benefit at all from Sightstone so she ends up spend more in the long run on wards than most junglers.
Conversely, Kayle offers a ton of utility. A strong 2-3 item power spike with Devourer-Hurricane or Devourer-Nashor's. Kayle's ult lets you protect key targets for a bit and gets even better when you nab Zhonya's. Her heal is small but useful utility. Rylai's is really strong on her. She really wants to have like 7-8 items but lacks the space for them.
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On August 04 2015 04:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
kayle could be like a niche pick against a passive team like TSM or the Korean team with madlife on it (cant remember name) but you cant play devourer junglers vs aggressive teams, wont work. See C9 vs tsm where they picked shyvana knowing they could get away with it
You forgot CJ Entus? They are much better with the non-Ambition jungler in aggression.
Also, your previous post about Elise makes me excited for competitive jungling.
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Elise being back is good, I hope the incoming Nid nerf isn't too bad.
I should really stop trying to use teambuilder it takes like 30 minutes to queue...
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On August 04 2015 03:11 Velocirapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 03:05 MooMooMugi wrote:
Did Riot announce that Worlds will be played on the new HUD? or nah The hud comes to ranked 5.15 and I think they said worlds will be on 5.17 or 5.18 so I would take that as a yes.
If there is one thing we can be sure of, it will be massive corki buffs in one of those patches.
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On August 04 2015 03:11 geript wrote:
This isn't even taking into account that there's a decent shot at Jungler and/or Top may be more likely to build Zeke's now in specific comps (e.g. with a burst mage).
Judging by what some folks have been saying about Zeke's there is no way it won't be one of the premier items to be utilized in strategies at worlds. The numbers seem pretty strong.
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