EPT[Patch 5.13] Tahm Kench General Discussion - Page 6
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On July 09 2015 06:36 Alaric wrote: And now I'm playing Vi, ult Vayne, and Condemn sends me into the wall. She still gets cc'd, mind you. But I end up in the wall instead of near her. CC immunity guys. I'm the one seeing unexisting bugs guys. Ha ha funny. Vi is fine. Also fun fact: if you click your ult on someone while out of range, and they become untargetable somehow while you walk into range, your ult will automatically retarget to the closest champion. Vayne tumbles with ult on while you walk? Too bad, you can't click her again when she reappears, you're just going to ult the next closest champion. Who in their right mind would have coded a retargeting of abilities that you can't even control yourself? That's not even the only spell who does that, and it just causes suicide half the time it happens. You're only CC immune while charging not while dunking, it's working as intended; counterplay and all that good jazz. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On July 09 2015 06:36 Alaric wrote: And now I'm playing Vi, ult Vayne, and Condemn sends me into the wall. She still gets cc'd, mind you. But I end up in the wall instead of near her. CC immunity guys. I'm the one seeing unexisting bugs guys. Ha ha funny. Vi is fine. Also fun fact: if you click your ult on someone while out of range, and they become untargetable somehow while you walk into range, your ult will automatically retarget to the closest champion. Vayne tumbles with ult on while you walk? Too bad, you can't click her again when she reappears, you're just going to ult the next closest champion. Who in their right mind would have coded a retargeting of abilities that you can't even control yourself? That's not even the only spell who does that, and it just causes suicide half the time it happens. To be fair, Vi's one of the handful of champions that has a bunch of bugs in her kit that Riot refuses to acknowledge or fix. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On July 09 2015 06:49 AlterKot wrote: But my point was exact opposite of "current champions are getting stronger", it was that there might be a big meta shift with warriors nerf, devourer buff and this whole weird ap itemization reshuffle. But then it's most definitely a gut feeling more than an in-depth analysis. everyone went cinderhulk anyway and i dont hink its a warrior nerf its obviously a warrior buff only a select few champs can do devourer and evn then auto centric melees very rarely see any play in the pro scene | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 09 2015 05:33 Gahlo wrote: There's CDR, you just don't get it until the combine. Which double sucks. I've found that the amount of people that can play a competent fiddle is inversely proportional to the amount of people that can play competently against him. If it has CDR then it's fine. Remember Brutalizer to Warrior's is only 63 gold. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 09 2015 06:49 AlterKot wrote: But my point was exact opposite of "current champions are getting stronger", it was that there might be a big meta shift with warriors nerf, devourer buff and this whole weird ap itemization reshuffle. But then it's most definitely a gut feeling more than an in-depth analysis. The final result of Warrior will probably be a buff, as 10 Armor Pen rarely accounts for a 10% increase in damage. It does, however, have the worst build up by far. Cinderhulk has Bami's, Devourer has Recurve, and Runeglaive has Sheen. If the whole point is Warrior is to be put on bruisers so they have an impact early game before they become outscaled, why change the build path to longsword/pickaxe? That makes the jungler's inventory clutters as fuck until the item is completed and there's no mid build bump to be found. In the end, I think the build path change will really hurt the item more than the finished product will help it. Unless the jungler is snowballing, the carry window is starting to close anyway. AP itemization changes will help a lot. 1600g from NLR hurts players everywhere but the cost drop will be very welcomes by AP junglers trying to scrape together the more big ticket AP items. Liandry's also gives them a way to deal with tanks to mirror BC while providing a jungle friendly build path. Devourer is going to be better on most AS junglers and absolutely bonkers on junglers that can abuse the passive for on hits. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:28 Sufficiency wrote: If it has CDR then it's fine. Remember Brutalizer to Warrior's is only 63 gold. yeah but the extra stats aren't really compensated by the cost of the jungle item whereas for the other jungle items they are if you really like warrior just buy a brutalizer | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:28 Sufficiency wrote: If it has CDR then it's fine. Remember Brutalizer to Warrior's is only 63 gold. Doesn't matter because you didn't need to complete Warrior to get it. Long Sword + Pickaxe is garbage. At that point I'd rather buy a Tiamat, LW, or just say fuck it and buy a Ghostblade. | ||
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:31 Gahlo wrote: Doesn't matter because you didn't need to complete Warrior to get it. Long Sword + Pickaxe is garbage. At that point I'd rather buy a Tiamat, LW, or just say fuck it and buy a Ghostblade. Isnt the difference in cost between a brutalizer and completing warriors from machete <100 gold? Allowing you to buy a pickaxe is actually a mini-buff given that if you were going to buy a brutalizer before you probably wouldve just bought the warriors outright. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:01 Jek wrote: You're only CC immune while charging not while dunking, it's working as intended; counterplay and all that good jazz. You're cc immune during the whole thing, and I got condemned during the charge. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:45 Alaric wrote: You're cc immune during the whole thing, and I got condemned during the charge. Tbh you've been complaining about Vi's ult bugs for dozens of months now, you should either copy paste them all into a mail for the support team or stop playing Vi. :/ | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And I don't play Vi anymore. I just pick her once in a blue moon out of curiosity and get the great joy of noticing she still has at least some of the stuff. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I have that thing happen super often where I cc someone, they queued a spell, it didn't even start the animation, but because it's queued somehow they perform the whole animation during the cc (it's different from the thing they showed awhile ago where you could buffer an auto during a cc, but I have no idea how it works exactly, just that I cc someone and during the cc they start the animation for a spell and cast it). Kinda removes the point of the cc as a damage reduction. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:39 MajorityofOne wrote: Isnt the difference in cost between a brutalizer and completing warriors from machete <100 gold? Allowing you to buy a pickaxe is actually a mini-buff given that if you were going to buy a brutalizer before you probably wouldve just bought the warriors outright. Yeah, most of the time when you can buy Brutalizer you should be able to buy Warrios, but there are times you don't and they'll suck hard. You also stall out for close to 900g after picking up longsword with the new buildpath. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Maybe whenever the AD item pass goes through, I suppose. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On July 09 2015 07:45 Alaric wrote: You're cc immune during the whole thing, and I got condemned during the charge. You are not CC immune during the dunk, this is explicitly stated in the tooltip and why two Vi's can ultimate each other at the same time. It was changed to work as such in the first patch or so after her release. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Out of 1.4 million players in NA which I have ranked records for, only 638 players got the same League Name as last season (roughly 0.05% chance). For example, this player: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/1001#leagues is currently in Platinum V Annie's Masterminds. He happened to be Gold II Annie's Masterminds in season 4. EDIT: the data: http://pastebin.com/LkdBauQ8 | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 09 2015 08:02 Alaric wrote: Isn't that because even if you get cc'd you'll finish the animation? It's basically instant anyway (the tip is) and you can't cancel it to autoattack instead. I have that thing happen super often where I cc someone, they queued a spell, it didn't even start the animation, but because it's queued somehow they perform the whole animation during the cc (it's different from the thing they showed awhile ago where you could buffer an auto during a cc, but I have no idea how it works exactly, just that I cc someone and during the cc they start the animation for a spell and cast it). Kinda removes the point of the cc as a damage reduction. it happens because the spell has a cast time also when you flash as galio you cant instantly ult there is always a delay both human factor and ping which is why you can interrupt his ult with any cc appropriate ability there is some problem with cc because you can flash something while hit with the cc(tibbers is notorious or reksai knockup) but I guess they just happen at the same time or something not sure why exactly | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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