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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 12 2015 14:15 GMT
#361
On July 12 2015 23:10 Prog wrote:
Anyone tried Singed this patch already? In theory he also got huge buffs from the ap item changes plus a longer snare.

After rank 1, Rylais doesn't effect his W anymore and his Q only applies a 20% slow. His itemization's gotten better and the scaling MR is a solid buff, but I feel he'll have some hickups as players adjust to how Singed he can be.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 12 2015 14:39 GMT
#362
On July 12 2015 16:05 Sufficiency wrote:
LMS is playing Trundle support.... what has this world come to....


what were the comps? he is a legitimate support in the right circumstance.
I come in for the scraps
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
July 12 2015 14:45 GMT
#363
Any one tried early Rylais on Ahri yet? Seems like itd be strong but theres so many early rush items, I don't know where to fit it
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 12 2015 14:50 GMT
#364
On July 12 2015 23:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On July 12 2015 16:05 Sufficiency wrote:
LMS is playing Trundle support.... what has this world come to....


what were the comps? he is a legitimate support in the right circumstance.


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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 12 2015 14:59 GMT
#365
Looks pretty good. He's in a poke comp, as should be (that or catch, but there are much better catch supports), versus a low mobility team, who lacks hard initiation (apart from the Gragas ult it's only slows and running at them).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 12 2015 15:02 GMT
#366
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 12 2015 15:10 GMT
#367
trundle's problem is janna exists and when the enemy team doesn't really have a tank he doesn't really do anything
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 12 2015 15:21 GMT
#368
Or since he's a support in a poke comp he's probably just there to peel and take a hefty chunk out of a tank that wants to dive. Don't see Janna having a lot of effect on that unless she wants to walk into poke.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 12 2015 15:27 GMT
#369
As in janna is a superior version since she has the disengage/the bf sword for damage/the get outta here button/the superior lane phase
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 12 2015 15:31 GMT
#370
Not like she's a contest pick or anything.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 12 2015 15:46 GMT
#371
she's really not all that contested atm
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 12 2015 16:07 GMT
#372
Just as much as his natural synergy with poke comps, seeing as how they went with poke build adc Varus I think it was also to give the team a way to actually take down a tank with his ultimate.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 16:12:32
July 12 2015 16:12 GMT
#373
But then the only tanks were Grag support and Eve.

Really weird pick choices all over.
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 12 2015 16:24 GMT
#374
On July 13 2015 01:12 Caiada wrote:
But then the only tanks were Grag support and Eve.

Really weird pick choices all over.

Yeah. Would love to see the pick order. Given the compositions Janna, Thresh or Nami looks like a much better fit to me.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 16:28:31
July 12 2015 16:26 GMT
#375
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 12 2015 16:27 GMT
#376
On July 13 2015 01:12 Caiada wrote:
But then the only tanks were Grag support and Eve.

Really weird pick choices all over.


I do like the Trungle in poke comps, but I was kind of thinking the same thing.

It would have been a different story if like Gragas was an Alistar and Rumble was a Maokai, but thats not the case.

I think Trundle is a fantastic pick along side AP Ezreal, especially since recently we have been seeing like Maokai+Ali+Sivir being picked to counter it.

Go ahead, Sivir ult around my pillar.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 17:35:25
July 12 2015 17:35 GMT
#377
I just wish this tank support meta would end already. Riot should really undo some of the nerfs to ranged supports like Lulu, who was only strong in mid and top.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 12 2015 18:00 GMT
#378
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 12 2015 18:02 GMT
#379
l0l, he hates that item so much
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 18:28:16
July 12 2015 18:12 GMT
#380
Meteos would complain less if he finally noticed that Void Staff beats Deathcap for champion damage regardless of Aegis being bought or not. Though with Deathcap being made better and Void Staff costing more I wonder how the cutoff changed.
Him using "antifun" made me chuckle though.

pick up Haunting Guise and Sorc Shoes on Elise for a mid-game power spike, but when it’s straight countered by one item on one player for the entire enemy team

That's dumb and an overreaction. When you're picking Elise, and building these items, you're going to want skirmishes, fights all over, to abuse your burst and how strong Elise is as a duelist early on, not seek straight 5v5s. Of course Aegis doesn't help, not gonna deny that, but if the jungler is there every time you're trying to catch and execute someone, then either you're getting outplayed and you can't blame the item, or they'll all grouping and you can react to it by split pushing (and Elise is conducive to these patterns regardless of Aegis existing or not).

On July 13 2015 02:35 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I just wish this tank support meta would end already. Riot should really undo some of the nerfs to ranged supports like Lulu, who was only strong in mid and top.

That won't make her initiation-capable, contrary to Alistar or Thresh. And she can't peel with displacements like they (or Janna) can, so she's just inferior atm.
There are so many weaker picks just because of the abundance of displacements anyway, and Thresh has 2, so...

Sona, Taric, etc. could be buffed a bunch, they'd stil be inferior because laning isn't what matters (and I'd really like to see more lopsided power curves peaking in the midgame, so the tradeoff of a worse lategame if you don't abuse your spikes doesn't automatically make pros run away just because of how big the onus is on you).

Edit: and I realise defending Aegis while talking about how I'd like midgame oriented stuff to be more viable/consistent sounds weird. There are other things affecting it though—Runeglaive and Devourer being changed help, but Poacher's Knife and Warrior are still by far the worst options, and counterjungling is an important part of midgame oriented gambits as it pertains to map control and starving a member of the enemy team.
Said control lets you snowball your leads or get catches during the laning phase, while when you're strong in the early or midgame, you're better off losing farm to starve an opponent than giving both a load of farm (as in why it's better as Pantheon to zone someone off a wave than to trade a kill, unless you mange to leverage that gold advantage over the other enemy lanes shortly after).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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