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On July 10 2015 11:59 739 wrote:
Frostfang, Frost Queen's Claim, Spellthief's Edge
[The wacky gold generation value changes are reverted - all three are back to live values.]
phew ! That was one of the most retarded ideas after Feral Flare v2
They said it was unintended and shouldn't have appeared anywhere.
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On July 10 2015 13:17 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 12:52 Gahlo wrote:On July 10 2015 12:52 Goumindong wrote:On July 10 2015 09:51 Gahlo wrote:
Just a reminder that Wit's is pretty crazy on Devourers is you like being selfish. Botrk should still be better in basically any situation. The only real advantage of wits is that it's cheap. But it's not more gold efficient than BotRK or components and it's not more slot efficient. BotRK doesn't give MR. Botrk isn't shitty either. What is your point?
It's shitty when you need MR, which is the point.
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i really don't think wit's end does much for you at all if you need defense against magic damage unless you already have a bunch of EHP from other sources.
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Shyvana is so broken... She does ridiculous damage while being tanky. Creative flanks are of course important and if you pull off the flank into the carries you pretty much win. Or you just straight up run at them and win because silvers can't peel.
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On July 10 2015 21:51 chalice wrote:
i really don't think wit's end does much for you at all if you need defense against magic damage unless you already have a bunch of EHP from other sources.
55 MR is substantial even if you don't have any Health items (at level 13 it's like having another 876 Health), and you can immediately follow up with a Giant's Belt for Rylai's if that's an issue (and you almost certainly want Rylai's because it makes your E a 40% AoE slow).
So the question on my mind isn't BotRK vs Wit's End so much as whether Wit's End or Rylai's is a better follow up to Devourer (probably Rylai's) and subsequently whether Wit's End is a better third item than something like Hurricane/Nashor's/etc.
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Doesn't her E count as periodic damage for 20% AoE slow instead?
Oh wait we're talking about Kayle.
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On July 10 2015 23:05 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 21:51 chalice wrote:
i really don't think wit's end does much for you at all if you need defense against magic damage unless you already have a bunch of EHP from other sources. 55 MR is substantial even if you don't have any Health items (at level 13 it's like having another 876 Health), and you can immediately follow up with a Giant's Belt for Rylai's if that's an issue (and you almost certainly want Rylai's because it makes your E a 40% AoE slow). So the question on my mind isn't BotRK vs Wit's End so much as whether Wit's End or Rylai's is a better follow up to Devourer (probably Rylai's) and subsequently whether Wit's End is a better third item than something like Hurricane/Nashor's/etc.
Mmm Rylai's Hurricane sounds fun. Guess more Kayle today. Question now is do I cut/delay Nashor's. And Rylai over GA?
Wit's is nice on paper but it's outclassed by at least three other AS items. So unless enemy team has like 4 AP dmg sources, i'm going to pass.
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Does swain's ult keep going while devoured by Tahm? It says it puts the target in stasis and Swain's ult still runs in zhonyas. Swain ulting while zhonyas then getting devoured by allied Tahm after zhonyas wears off is what like 6+ seconds of stasis while ulting in the middle of a teamfight? And if enemy tries to run Tahm can spit you at them.
All the AP changes were a big help to Swain, he needs AP and mana more than health so the rod change helps, cheaper NLR/Zhonyas helps him hit his ROA + Zhonyas midgame spike faster, and his ult is amazing with liandries too. Might have to start playing him again.
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It does, stuff like sunfire keeps dealing its AoE damage too.
The changes help stuff like Kayle, Anivia, Vlad, and Runeglaive brings champions like Diana. Sure Swain's still strong in lane vs some of them, but outside of laning none of his issues are solved and these champions are a pain for him.
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With all the non-scaling on-hit damage from devourer (and possibly wit's), isn't Void Staff the intuitive third item / first AP item?
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Prepare for the freelo that is enemy Vaynes trying to go for Sated. Bitch got wrecked.
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Lane Devourer may be the worst thing. It's probably half-functional in soloq if you just run games to 40 minutes, but if you don't, the only way you'll have it at an acceptable time is if you're already winning so hard you could build 5 BTs and win anyway. QT won like 2 games out of 7 or some shit and both games he was 10/x/x before he even had Sated.
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On July 11 2015 01:16 krndandaman wrote:
Anyone know if its possible to know which side of map you are in blind pick?
The 'Your Team' text at the top will be either red or blue depending on which side you are. Applies to every mode iirc
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On July 10 2015 23:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 23:05 Seuss wrote:On July 10 2015 21:51 chalice wrote:
i really don't think wit's end does much for you at all if you need defense against magic damage unless you already have a bunch of EHP from other sources. 55 MR is substantial even if you don't have any Health items (at level 13 it's like having another 876 Health), and you can immediately follow up with a Giant's Belt for Rylai's if that's an issue (and you almost certainly want Rylai's because it makes your E a 40% AoE slow). So the question on my mind isn't BotRK vs Wit's End so much as whether Wit's End or Rylai's is a better follow up to Devourer (probably Rylai's) and subsequently whether Wit's End is a better third item than something like Hurricane/Nashor's/etc. Mmm Rylai's Hurricane sounds fun. Guess more Kayle today. Question now is do I cut/delay Nashor's. And Rylai over GA? Wit's is nice on paper but it's outclassed by at least three other AS items. So unless enemy team has like 4 AP dmg sources, i'm going to pass.
Rylai's vs Nashor's as a follow up to Devourer is a tough question, but I think Rylai's wins until Riot inevitably changes Kayle's E to only proc the 20% slow. From there I think you're situationally choosing between Narshor's/Zhonya's/GA and so on.
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On July 11 2015 01:15 Caiada wrote:
Lane Devourer may be the worst thing. It's probably half-functional in soloq if you just run games to 40 minutes, but if you don't, the only way you'll have it at an acceptable time is if you're already winning so hard you could build 5 BTs and win anyway. QT won like 2 games out of 7 or some shit and both games he was 10/x/x before he even had Sated.
actually I think the biggest devourer buff was to laners that wanted it but obviously couldn't buy it. Sated is much better on solo q for laners then the old one.
The powerspike is nice for junglers but I really miss having my 60+ stack devourer warwick in late games, it kinda falls off later.
Since you only need few stacks now and dragon and scuttlers both give it, its pretty easy to become sated as a laner now if your top lane.
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On July 11 2015 01:33 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 23:32 NeoIllusions wrote:On July 10 2015 23:05 Seuss wrote:On July 10 2015 21:51 chalice wrote:
i really don't think wit's end does much for you at all if you need defense against magic damage unless you already have a bunch of EHP from other sources. 55 MR is substantial even if you don't have any Health items (at level 13 it's like having another 876 Health), and you can immediately follow up with a Giant's Belt for Rylai's if that's an issue (and you almost certainly want Rylai's because it makes your E a 40% AoE slow). So the question on my mind isn't BotRK vs Wit's End so much as whether Wit's End or Rylai's is a better follow up to Devourer (probably Rylai's) and subsequently whether Wit's End is a better third item than something like Hurricane/Nashor's/etc. Mmm Rylai's Hurricane sounds fun. Guess more Kayle today. Question now is do I cut/delay Nashor's. And Rylai over GA? Wit's is nice on paper but it's outclassed by at least three other AS items. So unless enemy team has like 4 AP dmg sources, i'm going to pass. Rylai's vs Nashor's as a follow up to Devourer is a tough question, but I think Rylai's wins until Riot inevitably changes Kayle's E to only proc the 20% slow. From there I think you're situationally choosing between Narshor's/Zhonya's/GA and so on.
I'll try Dev, Zerker, Rylai's, Hurricane's and see how it goes. Missing out on the 20% CDR from Nashor's is going to hurt imo. idk if you can keep up E perma-on. Might have to change my Glyphs then.
should be using Kayle thread huehuehue
On July 11 2015 01:49 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 01:15 Caiada wrote:
Lane Devourer may be the worst thing. It's probably half-functional in soloq if you just run games to 40 minutes, but if you don't, the only way you'll have it at an acceptable time is if you're already winning so hard you could build 5 BTs and win anyway. QT won like 2 games out of 7 or some shit and both games he was 10/x/x before he even had Sated. actually I think the biggest devourer buff was to laners that wanted it but obviously couldn't buy it. Sated is much better on solo q for laners then the old one. The powerspike is nice for junglers but I really miss having my 60+ stack devourer warwick in late games, it kinda falls off later. Since you only need few stacks now and dragon and scuttlers both give it, its pretty easy to become sated as a laner now if your top lane.
Who would you get Dev on for Top Lane? Shyv comes to mind easily. Just shove lane with EW constantly then go farm camps. Fizz maybe?? I wouldn't get it on Hec.
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On July 11 2015 00:20 DrunkenOne wrote:
Does swain's ult keep going while devoured by Tahm? It says it puts the target in stasis and Swain's ult still runs in zhonyas. Swain ulting while zhonyas then getting devoured by allied Tahm after zhonyas wears off is what like 6+ seconds of stasis while ulting in the middle of a teamfight? And if enemy tries to run Tahm can spit you at them.
All the AP changes were a big help to Swain, he needs AP and mana more than health so the rod change helps, cheaper NLR/Zhonyas helps him hit his ROA + Zhonyas midgame spike faster, and his ult is amazing with liandries too. Might have to start playing him again.
might help you reach his 6 item point faster, the quicker you do that on Swain the better(which could be said of any hero, but swain especially imo)
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I think devourer might not be functioning properly, but I haven't had time to test this is a custom or anything. I was playing xin last night and finished devourer, took one camp, got two kills bot, took dragon (didn't get killing blow), then crab. Ended that with 5 stacks but should have had 10. I read the tool tip again and it says takedown on epic monsters count, but that's my best guess as to what happened.
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