EPTthe long and short is, ez don't need no luden's bullshit he just needs aoe waveclear to be strong and blasting smite and Runeglaive will still give it to him for one more patch
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
the long and short is, ez don't need no luden's bullshit he just needs aoe waveclear to be strong and blasting smite and Runeglaive will still give it to him for one more patch | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
nevermind, this is wize, runeglaive only being aoe on monsters will put him back to where he was a month ago super good late, super terrible until 4+ items, which is enough imo. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 10 2015 08:44 Slusher wrote: https://twitter.com/RiotScarizard/status/619281735516184576 nevermind, this is wize, runeglaive only being aoe on monsters will put him back to where he was a month ago super good late, super terrible until 4+ items, which is enough imo. Eh, blasting smite will still help. Not sure if the lack of damage conversion will make him still choose it over Lichbane anymore though. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
to elaborate maybe it's stronger if you're playing from behind and apparently you can solo baron sooner but the 6 item endgame is super underwhelming. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I go Hybrid Pen Marks, Flat Armor Seals, AP/Level Glyphs, AS Quints. 21/9 or 21/6/3 Itemization is pretty much all AS items, so Hybrid Pen makes more sense to me. Devourer, Nashor's, Hurricane. Fit in Vamp Scepter when you feel like you need the life steal. Builds into Botrk. Zerkers early, swap for Sorc later. GA or whatever you want for 6th item. You can pretty much 3 shot enemy carries. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 10 2015 08:50 Frolossus wrote: sated devourer feels decidedly weaker to me on shyv to elaborate maybe it's stronger if you're playing from behind and apparently you can solo baron sooner but the 6 item endgame is super underwhelming. Shyv's 6 item always felt underwhelming to me unless you could get there 1-2 items up on whoever you're going up against. gap closer on ulti, and no hard CC means that one well timed CC fucks your entire teamfight up unless you're tanky enough to to burn through the frontline and keep going. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Is that normal? I think I'm using standard runes/masteries for this. Tried jungling Zac too but E's cd is so long before it's maxed it's really really hard to have presence early, between the short range, ultra-long cd (longer than you take to clear a camp, and you're super slow to clear a camp). On top of that it seems to often cancel itself during the charge (although it may have been the server fucking up since I've had so many games glitch on me the past 3 days; sometimes it's also me right-clicking near the landing point so it cancels which is normal). My first game with him went well but you've got a long cd ult (like Vi) and if people have a moddicum of MS more than you, they can make you knock them away from your allies by moving during E, or between E and R (you can't really afford to walk past them after landing E because then they can flash your ult at will between the delay post-E and R's cast animation, Zac's not Sion). Add to it the cost of ganks since you're using a ~20s cd which is also your maxed ability for them, so you've got to wait before you start a camp again. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On July 10 2015 09:23 Amui wrote: Shyv's 6 item always felt underwhelming to me unless you could get there 1-2 items up on whoever you're going up against. gap closer on ulti, and no hard CC means that one well timed CC fucks your entire teamfight up unless you're tanky enough to to burn through the frontline and keep going. it does but that's why her playstyle is about warding aggressively and picking off people 1-3 at a time. she sucks at 5v5 fights. i do think i'd rather have 150 magic damage/hit devourer over this new thing though | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On July 10 2015 09:50 Frolossus wrote: it does but that's why her playstyle is about warding aggressively and picking off people 1-3 at a time. she sucks at 5v5 fights. i do think i'd rather have 150 magic damage/hit devourer over this new thing though Devourer's not really about lategame anymore. One of their biggest reasons for changing it. Infinite scaling has too much potential for bullshit both ways when it's as direct as old Devourer. But now your 30 stack devourer is *much* better and also comes notably quicker. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On July 10 2015 08:50 Frolossus wrote: sated devourer feels decidedly weaker to me on shyv On July 10 2015 09:50 Frolossus wrote: i do think i'd rather have 150 magic damage/hit devourer over this new thing though Well, it's flat-out better right at the start (+5 on-hit), and it stacks faster than it did before, so you must mean post-sated devourer. You get 3 Sated hits (180 on hit) for every 2 old-devourer hits, so you'd need 90 on-hit (65 stacks) to break even, assuming you have no other on-hits. With Wit's End you need 111 on-hit (86 stacks) old old-devourer to break even. Botrk math is harder but at ~1000hp it's on-hit is like double Wit's, but physical so probably about even post-resist. So I dunno new devourer seems like it's better for a really really long time now. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Cocoon (Human E)* stun duration increased to 1.6/1.7/1.8/1.9/2 seconds from 1.5 at all ranks [Note: Live values for stun are currently 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds.] Cocoon (Human E) cooldown reverted to 14/13/12/11/10 sec from 14/12.5/11/9.5/8 sec [Note: Reverted back to live values.] yay ! also Frostfang, Frost Queen's Claim, Spellthief's Edge [The wacky gold generation value changes are reverted - all three are back to live values.] phew ! That was one of the most retarded ideas after Feral Flare v2 | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
They can't do anything right as of late with all these new stupid items First runeglaive, now the new devourer. Think I'm done with LoL until some of this shit gets nerfed into the ground. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 10 2015 09:51 Gahlo wrote: Just a reminder that Wit's is pretty crazy on Devourers is you like being selfish. Botrk should still be better in basically any situation. The only real advantage of wits is that it's cheap. But it's not more gold efficient than BotRK or components and it's not more slot efficient. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 10 2015 12:52 Goumindong wrote: Botrk should still be better in basically any situation. The only real advantage of wits is that it's cheap. But it's not more gold efficient than BotRK or components and it's not more slot efficient. BotRK doesn't give MR. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Botrk isn't shitty either. What is your point? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I used aspd marks, amor, cdr with ap quints instead of Neo's setup, is this possibly the problem? I mean we never lost another team fight after it converted but idk I def feel like it could be optimized | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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