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On May 29 2015 14:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
This is kind of a nonsense question in a way but I'm curious:
Are there any champs that have been released for quite a while that you simply have never played? I was thinking about this while I'm in champ select and realize I've never once played Jayce.
I don't recall ever having played Skarner, but it may have happened at some point.
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On May 29 2015 13:36 cLutZ wrote:
I still love the design of Ekko's Passive + Q. Its the Homeguard-R interaction, W being invisible, and having a dash+mini blink, that combined seem poorly thought out.
I think I actually like W and R the best, since they fit the whole "Echo" vision of a time mage/fighter/something a lot than stealing speed and throwing a random thing. The combination is a glorious mess of particles and balance though. Only played in one game vs ai with one on my team. Ekko didn't really seem to do anything? The player was pretty bad, though.
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Played another game on Ekko, and I've gleamed more from the experience:
Against a normal mage (I went vs. a Lux, so take my opinion w/ a grain of salt) he can be poked/harassed out of lane pre-6, though he can still CS with his Q if you aim it properly to make sure it boomerangs back to you and hit a lot of low health minions. It's a risk though, because if you are feeling ballsy you can definitely do a lot of burst damage with a Q into W-E combo that'll inflict like 200-300 damage.
Post 6 you can use the ult as a TP if you get forced out of lane. I never tried rushing homeguards on him, I didn't think it was worth it when you want the items on him to do stuff.
Getting either Lich Bane or Luden's Echo first is recommended. Lich Bane if you expect to be split pushing, Ludens for wave clear and teamfight.
Speaking of team fights, you need to keep track of your shadow to make sure you don't accidentally TP back in when you are 1v4 and trying to disengage. His engage is solid though, with the W stun hitting when you dash + blink in with the E.
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On May 29 2015 14:16 TheHumanSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 13:36 cLutZ wrote:
I still love the design of Ekko's Passive + Q. Its the Homeguard-R interaction, W being invisible, and having a dash+mini blink, that combined seem poorly thought out. I think I actually like W and R the best, since they fit the whole "Echo" vision of a time mage/fighter/something a lot than stealing speed and throwing a random thing. The combination is a glorious mess of particles and balance though. Only played in one game vs ai with one on my team. Ekko didn't really seem to do anything? The player was pretty bad, though.
I mean, if you care about lore, sure. I'm simply saying it from the POV that a good champ could/should be built around his Passive+Q, whereas WER shouldn't all be in one kit. At least as long as W stays invisible, and honestly I'm just not very excited about having more champs with dashes.
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The issue with the W is that, for the enemy side, you see the circle (and it's a big ass circle at that) about .5 seconds before it lands. So even if you know where it's going to land, unless you're on the edge of the circle it's going to hit you or you are gonna have to flash out of it.
Not to mention the line for how large the circle is going to be is pretty hard to see (due to the greenish aura it has, which is hard to see even for me and I'm not color blind.)
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On May 29 2015 14:12 Harem wrote:
Man, Sneaky is just shitting on solo q atm with Ezreal.
It's pretty fun to watch
>Tune in and he's 0-4
Harem pls.
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On May 29 2015 14:16 Kinie wrote:
Played another game on Ekko, and I've gleamed more from the experience:
Against a normal mage (I went vs. a Lux, so take my opinion w/ a grain of salt) he can be poked/harassed out of lane pre-6, though he can still CS with his Q if you aim it properly to make sure it boomerangs back to you and hit a lot of low health minions. It's a risk though, because if you are feeling ballsy you can definitely do a lot of burst damage with a Q into W-E combo that'll inflict like 200-300 damage.
Post 6 you can use the ult as a TP if you get forced out of lane. I never tried rushing homeguards on him, I didn't think it was worth it when you want the items on him to do stuff.
Getting either Lich Bane or Luden's Echo first is recommended. Lich Bane if you expect to be split pushing, Ludens for wave clear and teamfight.
Speaking of team fights, you need to keep track of your shadow to make sure you don't accidentally TP back in when you are 1v4 and trying to disengage. His engage is solid though, with the W stun hitting when you dash + blink in with the E.
He has a lot of all in potential against most standard mages from what I've played. If lux fires a q + e, I'd imagine you can just dodge the q with your e, jump on her with it and wreck her face. The damage from e'ing onto someone, q then auto, then using the slow + speed boost to double proc q, is pretty disgusting. Haven't tried that specific matchup, but vs xerath, cass etc it felt pretty simple.
You really need morellos though imo, both for mana regen (you want to spend teamfights kiting around, hopefully lasting til the end, which runs you oom fast) and for the cdr. (cdr on ult is really big in mid and lategame, as you can back without having to run back to lane.)
I've had good success running agressive runes (flat ap blues and quints), going q max, morellos -> ludens -> dc/zhonyas/void. I didn't like lich that much, just because your ratios are so crazy, and a lot of the mid to late damage is just q poke too.
Other random stuff. homeguard boots are a must, recalling, buying, and ulting back with full everyhting and a speed boost is literally cancer.
The W circle doesn't appear for the enemy until it's about to hit, so if you fire w from out of sight, then run up and all in someone right as it goes visible, you can catch them off guard.
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I don't think he needs a mana regen item. Would he like one? Yeah, but I think if he gets blue buff it'll be just fine. I found that the CD on his ult is actually pretty accurate as-is. I had it up for most fights, or was about to have it come up right when a fight was getting ready to break out.
The reason why Lich Bane is so good is because your E triggers it, and when combined with the E's additional on-hit damage it does a lot of burst damage (approx. 400-500 against a tank, 600-800 against a squishy mid or ADC). Also, the E's extra damage applies to turrets/structures as well, so you're basically doubling up the damage a normal Lich Bane'd AA does to a turret.
For me, I had AP quints, Magic Pen reds, flat armor yellows, flat MR blues. The first game on him I went 21/0/9 (3 points in move speed, RIP mana regen mastery) and felt ok. Second game I went 21/9.09 and still felt ok, was a tiny bit tankier for lane phase which did help out in some ganking situations where I got out with ~50 HP.
But yeah, he's AP Riven like people were thinking he was. Champ's so much fun, and the snowball with him is almost as strong. I know Monte tweeted something similar, but I can't wait for the playmaking mid laners in Korea (ie., Faker) get a chance to use Ekko in a professional game. If he hits the tournament realm as-is, he's going to have to be permabanned in LCK.
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On May 29 2015 15:42 Kinie wrote:
I don't think he needs a mana regen item. Would he like one? Yeah, but I think if he gets blue buff it'll be just fine. I found that the CD on his ult is actually pretty accurate as-is. I had it up for most fights, or was about to have it come up right when a fight was getting ready to break out.
The reason why Lich Bane is so good is because your E triggers it, and when combined with the E's additional on-hit damage it does a lot of burst damage (approx. 400-500 against a tank, 600-800 against a squishy mid or ADC). Also, the E's extra damage applies to turrets/structures as well, so you're basically doubling up the damage a normal Lich Bane'd AA does to a turret.
For me, I had AP quints, Magic Pen reds, flat armor yellows, flat MR blues. The first game on him I went 21/0/9 (3 points in move speed, RIP mana regen mastery) and felt ok. Second game I went 21/9.09 and still felt ok, was a tiny bit tankier for lane phase which did help out in some ganking situations where I got out with ~50 HP.
But yeah, he's AP Riven like people were thinking he was. Champ's so much fun, and the snowball with him is almost as strong. I know Monte tweeted something similar, but I can't wait for the playmaking mid laners in Korea (ie., Faker) get a chance to use Ekko in a professional game. If he hits the tournament realm as-is, he's going to have to be permabanned in LCK.
I get that your e triggerslichbane, but it just doesn't seem to synergise that well with his actual all in pattern.
Lichbane is strong on champs with low ap ratios, and champs you can proc it a lot in a fight. Ekko has insane ap ratios, and his typical lane or gank combo is e -> q -> aa then either two more autos and land second q, or back off. You only get one proc of lichbane out of that.
Compared to the wavecontrol that being able to spam q gives you, (as well as being able to e-q-aa-run as your trading pattern, without going oom) just feels much stronger to me, and the 20% cdr makes teamfighting much easier (and puts your ult on a crazy short cd, which creates all sorts of lane pressure by itself.)
I guess i could see it working if you want to play him like a talon, who bursts one guy then runs away, but that just seems like a waste given how much consistent damage you have the potential to put out over longer teamfights.
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On May 29 2015 14:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
This is kind of a nonsense question in a way but I'm curious:
Are there any champs that have been released for quite a while that you simply have never played? I was thinking about this while I'm in champ select and realize I've never once played Jayce.
Ekko... I've played every champ at least once, but looking at my champ page and thinking about those 1 time experiences with Udyr, Wukong, and Rengar when I had no idea what I was doing before probuilds. It wouldn't be unfair to say I've never played those champs.
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Pretty sure I've never played heca, i don't think I've played viktor, but I have vague memories of missing lasers, so i might have played him in a free week once.
Oh, and never reksai
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On May 29 2015 14:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
This is kind of a nonsense question in a way but I'm curious:
Are there any champs that have been released for quite a while that you simply have never played? I was thinking about this while I'm in champ select and realize I've never once played Jayce.
Pretty sure I've never played Warwick, Tristana or Jax, and they were in the game since it existed. I can't remember if i've ever played Sivir or Yi either, but i have doubts.
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On May 29 2015 15:56 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 15:42 Kinie wrote:
I don't think he needs a mana regen item. Would he like one? Yeah, but I think if he gets blue buff it'll be just fine. I found that the CD on his ult is actually pretty accurate as-is. I had it up for most fights, or was about to have it come up right when a fight was getting ready to break out.
The reason why Lich Bane is so good is because your E triggers it, and when combined with the E's additional on-hit damage it does a lot of burst damage (approx. 400-500 against a tank, 600-800 against a squishy mid or ADC). Also, the E's extra damage applies to turrets/structures as well, so you're basically doubling up the damage a normal Lich Bane'd AA does to a turret.
For me, I had AP quints, Magic Pen reds, flat armor yellows, flat MR blues. The first game on him I went 21/0/9 (3 points in move speed, RIP mana regen mastery) and felt ok. Second game I went 21/9.09 and still felt ok, was a tiny bit tankier for lane phase which did help out in some ganking situations where I got out with ~50 HP.
But yeah, he's AP Riven like people were thinking he was. Champ's so much fun, and the snowball with him is almost as strong. I know Monte tweeted something similar, but I can't wait for the playmaking mid laners in Korea (ie., Faker) get a chance to use Ekko in a professional game. If he hits the tournament realm as-is, he's going to have to be permabanned in LCK. I get that your e triggerslichbane, but it just doesn't seem to synergise that well with his actual all in pattern. Lichbane is strong on champs with low ap ratios, and champs you can proc it a lot in a fight. Ekko has insane ap ratios, and his typical lane or gank combo is e -> q -> aa then either two more autos and land second q, or back off. You only get one proc of lichbane out of that. Compared to the wavecontrol that being able to spam q gives you, (as well as being able to e-q-aa-run as your trading pattern, without going oom) just feels much stronger to me, and the 20% cdr makes teamfighting much easier (and puts your ult on a crazy short cd, which creates all sorts of lane pressure by itself.) I guess i could see it working if you want to play him like a talon, who bursts one guy then runs away, but that just seems like a waste given how much consistent damage you have the potential to put out over longer teamfights.
I'll give Morellos/Athenes a try next time I get a chance to play Ekko on SR, but I don't know when that will be. His ratios aren't that amazing though, they're ok for now but when they get nerfed (and you know they will) I think that will only enforce the idea of getting Lich Bane on him.
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Ekko ult has so much outplay.
And by outplay I mean you jump back and oneshot everyone...
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On May 29 2015 16:51 Ansibled wrote:
Ekko ult has so much outplay.
And by outplay I mean you jump back and oneshot everyone...
There's no greater CC than death.
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holy shit im so glad nobody plays poppy. Playing ashe vs. poppy was an absolute nightmare.
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On May 29 2015 17:17 IMoperator wrote:
holy shit im so glad nobody plays poppy. Playing ashe vs. poppy was an absolute nightmare.
Just wait for next UoL game
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Played a normal game vs Ekko (not in the same lane) and half of the times he killed me I could not understand how. For example we are both low health after a duel, but he is like one hit away from dying and I am 1/4 health, he zhonyas himself and knowing that he will have his CDs after that, I start walking away and then I die. Felt like Zed's death mark or something. I just burst up at some point and I have no idea what is going on xD
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On May 29 2015 10:34 krndandaman wrote:
so I tried karma support a bit today and wow she feels great.
especially that one time we ran a sejuani, sivir, karma comp and would literally start running with righteous glory / sivir ult / karma R E / talisman from our tier 2 turret and chase down 2 at their tier 2 as soon as we saw them start to 1-3-1. fucking hilarious lol
~32s cd Talisman yo
That was crazy, you use it to chase someone when a skirmish breaks out, you kill him, reach a tower and start sieging but they put you low, and it's already back up to disengage.
I'm def. going Coin if playing Sona, just to get Talisman after Sightstone (helps with her mana issues too).
Ekko's W passive destroys you if you're below 30%, his autos do something like 5%+ of your max HP per hit, on top of his passive (if you already had stuff on you).
His total dash with initial blink + ranged auto is something like 825 range too so running away isn't enough.
Alternatively he may have just used his ult if you ran over his trail while fleeing. But since Riot fucked up with his particles it's easy to confuse it with his W.
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