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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 31 2015 00:07 GMT
#241
On May 31 2015 08:19 Slusher wrote:
is cinderhulk jungle ekko really a thing or did this guy on my team suck dick?


People want it to be a thing, it shouldn't be.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
May 31 2015 00:23 GMT
#242
Just tried the new champ in a bot game.

Am i right in assuming that he is banned out so much because:
- The yoyo applies stacks for his passive, allowing him to do crazy burst on one auto with lichbane, E and 3rd stack passive proc
- The stun circle is hard to see when you first put it down

?

His mobility is rather underwhelming, hitting his ult and the stun thing is more about people getting caught off guard / not paying attention to new effects on their screens. Take the yoyo stacks away and he loses 1/3rd of his instant burst too and he'd be in dumpster tier.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 00:39:56
May 31 2015 00:39 GMT
#243
On May 31 2015 09:23 snow2.0 wrote:
Just tried the new champ in a bot game.

Am i right in assuming that he is banned out so much because:
- The yoyo applies stacks for his passive, allowing him to do crazy burst on one auto with lichbane, E and 3rd stack passive proc
- The stun circle is hard to see when you first put it down

?

His mobility is rather underwhelming, hitting his ult and the stun thing is more about people getting caught off guard / not paying attention to new effects on their screens. Take the yoyo stacks away and he loses 1/3rd of his instant burst too and he'd be in dumpster tier.


His particles are also a bit hard to see in general, at least on his base skin. The W slow/stun field's range is also insanely large for only 1 point in it. His ratios are probably a little overtuned and could see a slight nerf and he'd still be ok.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 31 2015 00:42 GMT
#244
That's because he's not made to burst you.

Someone said assassins are hard as fuck to balance because either they burst someone or they're useless. Well Ekko is made to kill someone over a longer period, which isn't a bad thing.
It's annoying when people don't bother reading the numbers before winging opinions.
Ekko's basic attacks deal 5% (+ 1% per 55 AP) of target's missing health as bonus magic damage versus targets below 30% of their maximum health.

He doesn't 100-0 you but he makes up for it by killing you very fast once you drop low enough, since he easily reaches the point where he does 8+% of your total HP per auto, on top of his normal damage/spells/passive.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
May 31 2015 00:43 GMT
#245
On May 31 2015 09:39 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2015 09:23 snow2.0 wrote:
Just tried the new champ in a bot game.

Am i right in assuming that he is banned out so much because:
- The yoyo applies stacks for his passive, allowing him to do crazy burst on one auto with lichbane, E and 3rd stack passive proc
- The stun circle is hard to see when you first put it down

?

His mobility is rather underwhelming, hitting his ult and the stun thing is more about people getting caught off guard / not paying attention to new effects on their screens. Take the yoyo stacks away and he loses 1/3rd of his instant burst too and he'd be in dumpster tier.


His particles are also a bit hard to see in general, at least on his base skin. The W slow/stun field's range is also insanely large for only 1 point in it. His ratios are probably a little overtuned and could see a slight nerf and he'd still be ok.

I can see the stun circle be changed to scaling stun time with points and less total time at 5 points, 2.25 is brutal at one point... but really, it's telegraphed 3 seconds ahead and if they change the visuals to something that can actually be seen, people won't get caught off guard so much.
MagnusWolf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States483 Posts
May 31 2015 01:16 GMT
#246
the enemy team cant see the W circle until like <1 sec before it lands.
http://www.twitch.tv/magnuswolf sometimes I stream, sometimes I don't
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 01:26:24
May 31 2015 01:24 GMT
#247
On May 31 2015 10:16 MagnusWolf wrote:
the enemy team cant see the W circle until like <1 sec before it lands.

The animation on Ekko is very strongly indicating the direction where it is cast, thats what i meant. If you dodge to a side it should be reasonable to get out of the edge-zone of the circle if it's still on you when it appears.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 31 2015 02:11 GMT
#248
Except, many times it matters he will be casting it from fog.
Freeeeeeedom
Kaethis
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands112 Posts
May 31 2015 02:47 GMT
#249
Gnar should've been left in the dumpster. Champ's everything Teemo ever aspired to be toplane except he's also god-tier in teamfights.

Ugh.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 31 2015 03:00 GMT
#250
On May 31 2015 10:24 snow2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2015 10:16 MagnusWolf wrote:
the enemy team cant see the W circle until like <1 sec before it lands.

The animation on Ekko is very strongly indicating the direction where it is cast, thats what i meant. If you dodge to a side it should be reasonable to get out of the edge-zone of the circle if it's still on you when it appears.


The animation is also easy to mask if you are moving around in lane, harassing with Q. I've gotten my lane opponent hit with it when I was in plain sight of them.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 31 2015 03:30 GMT
#251
On May 31 2015 03:41 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2015 03:35 cLutZ wrote:
On May 31 2015 02:15 Gahlo wrote:
The whole "new champions are OP" mantra is confirmation bias as fuck.


Not really. Even if only 1 of every 3 released champions was OP, that would be much higher than the average population of champions.

Balance level of older to newer champions expecting a similar distribution in power level is ridiculous. Older champions have had much more time to be tinkered with, or even completely redone, with some of them not being touched since they were balanced for a game state that is long gone by. If we look at the last 10 champions released, counting Ekko, the last of those is Jinx, who was released in October 2013.


No its not. Your first sentence is why people get frustrated when old champions aren't strong. Plus its a totally backwards design philosophy, because those champions are the reason LOL became popular. People want Ekko to fit into a meta defined by TF, Karthus, Anivia, Orianna, Veigar, Brand, etc NOT have those champions (their favorite champions) have to be fundamentally changed to fit into the Ekko meta.

Of course, its much too late by the time of Ekko, but there is a reason Leblanc was forced to be terrible for the first 3 years of league.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 31 2015 03:37 GMT
#252
so far I"m getting our Ekko; their ekko syndrome, mabye I need to pick the hero up
Carrilord has arrived.
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 03:56:27
May 31 2015 03:47 GMT
#253
On May 31 2015 12:37 Slusher wrote:
so far I"m getting our Ekko; their ekko syndrome, mabye I need to pick the hero up


If you are a Fizz main as your profile indicates then Ekko is probably going to be the most fun you have had in a while.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
May 31 2015 04:01 GMT
#254
I'm looking to get back into this a little bit more, so I was wondering if anyone could give me a short list of desirable champion picks for all roles. My champion pool needs a bit of sprucing up.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 04:32:56
May 31 2015 04:28 GMT
#255
Top: Rumble, Maokai, Gnar, Hecarim, Shyvana (the last 2 are if you want to run Smite/TP)
Jungle: Rek'Sai, Sejuani, Gragas, Vi
Mid: Basically whatever, just not Akali or Yasuo (Ekko is probably free elo right now)
ADC: Kalista, Jinx, Sivir, Ezreal
Support: Nautilus, Thresh, Janna, Braum, Annie
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 31 2015 04:30 GMT
#256
top: rumble, gnar
jungle: gragas reksai sejuani
mid: azir cassiopeia, ekko?
adc: kalista jynx ashe sivir
support: alistar nautilus
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 04:31:01
May 31 2015 04:30 GMT
#257
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 04:47:16
May 31 2015 04:42 GMT
#258
Thanks a lot people. Missing about half of those, could be worse I suppose. Gotta get to it, chop chop.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 31 2015 04:55 GMT
#259
you can also main urgot and play it in any lane/role, jungle and support kinda work too
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 31 2015 05:10 GMT
#260
with warrior coming back I think kha is on the rise
Carrilord has arrived.
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