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snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
May 20 2015 01:48 GMT
#601
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I mainly play botlane, but not with a duoqueue. The variety of ADCs/Supports you get paired with is amazing, and it's really no wonder it's often turning into shitfests because the players are just not on the same page.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 20 2015 01:50 GMT
#602
On May 20 2015 10:48 snow2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I'm pretty sure what Gahlo is saying is that those lane losses aren't "random"--they're the loser doing something retarded or getting outplayed.

And I'm pretty sure that's his point. You don't end up in a situation where a player "randomly" lost his lane and recovers after getting a blue to help stalemate. If a player got outplayed by a better player, most likely the better player will outplay him again, blue parity or not.
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snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-20 01:56:32
May 20 2015 01:54 GMT
#603
On May 20 2015 10:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 10:48 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I'm pretty sure what Gahlo is saying is that those lane losses aren't "random"--they're the loser doing something retarded or getting outplayed.

And I'm pretty sure that's his point. You don't end up in a situation where a player "randomly" lost his lane and recovers after getting a blue to help stalemate. If a player got outplayed by a better player, most likely the better player will outplay him again, blue parity or not.

Of course it's not random based on careful observations. Unless it's about crits earlygame, maybe.

But from the other lanes point of view, who have their hands full with whatever opponents they face, it will appear to be absolutely random when riven dies lvl 1 to nasus or cait annie get doublekilled by a vayne lane etc.
It is an unexpected outcome from the limited given information of champs picked.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 20 2015 01:54 GMT
#604
On May 20 2015 10:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 10:48 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I'm pretty sure what Gahlo is saying is that those lane losses aren't "random"--they're the loser doing something retarded or getting outplayed.

And I'm pretty sure that's his point. You don't end up in a situation where a player "randomly" lost his lane and recovers after getting a blue to help stalemate. If a player got outplayed by a better player, most likely the better player will outplay him again, blue parity or not.


It doesn't matter if they're not "random" if we can't predict them before they happen.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-20 01:59:50
May 20 2015 01:58 GMT
#605
On May 20 2015 10:54 snow2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 10:50 TheYango wrote:
On May 20 2015 10:48 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I'm pretty sure what Gahlo is saying is that those lane losses aren't "random"--they're the loser doing something retarded or getting outplayed.

And I'm pretty sure that's his point. You don't end up in a situation where a player "randomly" lost his lane and recovers after getting a blue to help stalemate. If a player got outplayed by a better player, most likely the better player will outplay him again, blue parity or not.

Of course it's not random based on careful observations. Unless it's about crits earlygame, maybe.

But from the other lanes point of view, who have their hands full with whatever opponents they face, it will appear to be absolutely random when riven dies lvl 1 to nasus or cait annie get doublekilled by a vayne lane etc.
It is an unexpected outcome from the limited given information of champs picked.

Sure, but that's completely unrelated to the point Gahlo was trying to make.

Arguing over the word is stupid and pointless because it has absolutely no relevance to the point he was actually trying to make.
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 20 2015 02:25 GMT
#606
On May 20 2015 10:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 10:54 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 10:50 TheYango wrote:
On May 20 2015 10:48 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I'm pretty sure what Gahlo is saying is that those lane losses aren't "random"--they're the loser doing something retarded or getting outplayed.

And I'm pretty sure that's his point. You don't end up in a situation where a player "randomly" lost his lane and recovers after getting a blue to help stalemate. If a player got outplayed by a better player, most likely the better player will outplay him again, blue parity or not.

Of course it's not random based on careful observations. Unless it's about crits earlygame, maybe.

But from the other lanes point of view, who have their hands full with whatever opponents they face, it will appear to be absolutely random when riven dies lvl 1 to nasus or cait annie get doublekilled by a vayne lane etc.
It is an unexpected outcome from the limited given information of champs picked.

Sure, but that's completely unrelated to the point Gahlo was trying to make.

Arguing over the word is stupid and pointless because it has absolutely no relevance to the point he was actually trying to make.


Well no. His comments don't make sense in that context. His suggestion is that before you give your buff to your laner you can know if they're going to die like that, or whether or not they can utilize or use the buff. His comments don't make sense in any other context than "i am now backpedaling"

Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 20 2015 02:45 GMT
#607
On May 20 2015 11:25 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 10:58 TheYango wrote:
On May 20 2015 10:54 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 10:50 TheYango wrote:
On May 20 2015 10:48 snow2.0 wrote:
On May 20 2015 09:29 kongoline wrote:
"People don't "randomly" lose lanes they should get through easily." LOL are we playing the same game? i remember riven dying lvl1 to nasus (1v1) then blaming the jungler

People definitely do randomly lose lanes they should shitstomp. I know i do, hue.

I'm pretty sure what Gahlo is saying is that those lane losses aren't "random"--they're the loser doing something retarded or getting outplayed.

And I'm pretty sure that's his point. You don't end up in a situation where a player "randomly" lost his lane and recovers after getting a blue to help stalemate. If a player got outplayed by a better player, most likely the better player will outplay him again, blue parity or not.

Of course it's not random based on careful observations. Unless it's about crits earlygame, maybe.

But from the other lanes point of view, who have their hands full with whatever opponents they face, it will appear to be absolutely random when riven dies lvl 1 to nasus or cait annie get doublekilled by a vayne lane etc.
It is an unexpected outcome from the limited given information of champs picked.

Sure, but that's completely unrelated to the point Gahlo was trying to make.

Arguing over the word is stupid and pointless because it has absolutely no relevance to the point he was actually trying to make.


Well no. His comments don't make sense in that context. His suggestion is that before you give your buff to your laner you can know if they're going to die like that, or whether or not they can utilize or use the buff. His comments don't make sense in any other context than "i am now backpedaling"


My point, since it seem you love to decide on what it is I'm going to correct you, is that if we go by the standard practice of the jungle taking the first blue that if by the time the second one spawns if the mid laner is 0/2 they probably aren't getting it and if they're 0/3 they sure as fuck aren't. Because I could probably count on a single hand how many times people come back from a deficit like that and it is literally not worth giving some shitty feeder blue to give to the other mid.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 20 2015 04:16 GMT
#608
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 20 2015 04:26 GMT
#609
On May 20 2015 13:16 krndandaman wrote:
I usually just give blue regardless since it can be a nice morale boost at least and generally if they're that bad I'm not going to be able to carry them anyways.

It's great to be a jungler in NA though, at least having the option to take blue is quite a privilege. When playing in KR if you don't give blue to even a fucking katarina or yasuo they will insta ragequit. Not even joking lol

Just be a boss like Rush, duo with Deft, never give red to deft.
liftlift > tsm
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
May 20 2015 05:12 GMT
#610
even if youre midlaner is bad/losing do they stand a better chance winning lane with blue or without? the only times u should be taking blue is if youre doing really well
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 20 2015 08:03 GMT
#611
On May 20 2015 10:33 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 10:25 Sonnington wrote:
I haven't tested or played enough Ashe to notice, but does shiv crit every single time she auto's an enemy that already has her passive? I'd imagine it would since all her autos are minicrits after her slow is applied.


It does yes. But its the same multiplier as all of your attacks. So if you have IE and Shiv the proc hits for 170 damage (so long as you don't accidentally waste it on a non-slowed target and you don't have any other crit chance but IE/Shiv).

Also worth noting that you should not ever blind pick NuAshe because Olaf and Yi are immune to her crits when they ult.

They said Shiv uses your crit% stat, not the auto crit.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 20 2015 08:39 GMT
#612
So I had decayed to like Silver 4 I believe, played placements, 3-7(some truly epic matches included) and was placed in Silver 1. The heck? Did they change something? I was sure I'd end up in Bronze IV or something.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-20 11:36:04
May 20 2015 09:17 GMT
#613
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
May 20 2015 11:39 GMT
#614
Man jungling is like herding cattle across the road.
No matter how hard you try they will ignore you and run into incoming vehicles.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 20 2015 12:18 GMT
#615
Silvers and Golds no longer decay.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 20 2015 12:42 GMT
#616
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 20 2015 12:52 GMT
#617
Or he's QQing.

Shikyo never QQs.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 20 2015 12:56 GMT
#618
On May 20 2015 18:17 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 17:39 Shikyo wrote:
So I had decayed to like Silver 4 I believe, played placements, 3-7(some truly epic matches included) and was placed in Silver 1. The heck? Did they change something? I was sure I'd end up in Bronze IV or something.


were you above silver 1 without decay?
MMR doesn't decay so you being silver 4 with decay wouldn't matter


edit:

did something happen to ping?
for the first time ever living in new york, my ping is a stable 75 right now from 100 and 90 at its LOWEST.
this is actually really weird.
not sure if its a one time thing but damn this is crazy

edit2: still 75 ping

east coast players, please report back if this has also happened to you
if this stays 75 ping i'll be pretty darn happy. much better than 100 ping.

Nope, still at my standard 82 at best.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 20 2015 13:01 GMT
#619
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 20 2015 13:08 GMT
#620
On May 20 2015 22:01 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 21:56 Gahlo wrote:
On May 20 2015 18:17 krndandaman wrote:
On May 20 2015 17:39 Shikyo wrote:
So I had decayed to like Silver 4 I believe, played placements, 3-7(some truly epic matches included) and was placed in Silver 1. The heck? Did they change something? I was sure I'd end up in Bronze IV or something.


were you above silver 1 without decay?
MMR doesn't decay so you being silver 4 with decay wouldn't matter


edit:

did something happen to ping?
for the first time ever living in new york, my ping is a stable 75 right now from 100 and 90 at its LOWEST.
this is actually really weird.
not sure if its a one time thing but damn this is crazy

edit2: still 75 ping

east coast players, please report back if this has also happened to you
if this stays 75 ping i'll be pretty darn happy. much better than 100 ping.

Nope, still at my standard 82 at best.


hm, I think something has happened though. did a quick search on reddit and several posts regarding this has popped up over the last day

ex. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/36kgut/is_anyone_elses_ping_on_east_coast_lower_than/

I mean, it used to be low 90s a few months ago, but it hasn't moved since the drop to 80s.
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