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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On April 21 2015 22:48 cLutZ wrote: Man, Zyra, now thats a champ that Riot has just left in the trash heap. And she isn't even fundamentally flawed like Poppy and Shaco. They just need to revert the E slow ;_; | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
Kennen is played because of his ult and because Kalista exists. In every other way Annie is far superior, and I'd even argue that with Kalista Annie is still the superior choice, because her stun is instant. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 21 2015 22:51 krndandaman wrote: yeah... which is why they are different champions lol. also they can be compared because kennen can also do a similar job of proccing a charged auto + q + w to stun. I always make sure I can use that before a fight. annie's is definitely superior but the mechanics are similar. in terms of ults, braum is more similar to kennen but that's pretty much where similarities stops. his wall is something kennen has nothing similar to and he's also ridiculously tanky for a support which kennen is also the complete opposite of. fiddle no because his poke is nearly 100% skills unlike kennen/annie who do a significant amount of harass through autos. I don't see much similarities elsewhere. Let me explain it more directly. Can you get the jump on a Kog'Maw in the middle of his team and who has vision of you beforehand, and instantly stun him for your team to follow-up with Kennen? No? Then it isn't comparable to the role of support Annie at all. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
You can compare anything you want doesn't mean they have similar roles. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
I just don't see why you'd ever pick him over Annie, Nami or Braum. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
If Annie's abilities stunned people still in the area 1.5s after the cast, would support Annie be a thing? Maybe. Would she be picked the same way (and in the same roles) she is now? Definitely not. That's like saying Brand and Annie are both good against Kalista because they can stun her. Brand needs to hit 2 spells, at least one of them is a skillshot, Annie has either a point'n'click or an instant ground-targeted stun, against Kalista the difference is huge for initiation purposes. Kennen can't really initiate, less so without Flash, compared to Annie. He is however much stronger at peeling because of his ult, his roaming is pretty safe and he's a good skirmisher for invades/lane swaps/etc. Not saying he's bad, but he doesn't bring the strengths Annie does and isn't picked for the same reasons. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
Edit: Well, IIRC it went something like 3-6 (on phone right now), which for me doesn't sound too good. Did the kennen do exceptionally well in one of those games? Doing fine isn't really a recommendation here. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On April 21 2015 23:23 krndandaman wrote: no that doesnt work, because you haven't provided any examples Both nafta and Alaric have provided examples. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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brokenwatch
Azerbaijan99 Posts
lol zyra is probably the most broken support.Maybe you should step out of your trash heap agate kennen is probably really good in 1x2s. No mana good ranged harass free stunz. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I talked about short-range peeling on top of the counter-initiation ult that can be used offensively with less efficiency, because Kennen gets standing next to his partners, to use autos/E and hit Qs more easily, similar to Brand standing next to his partner to make use of his passive and E's bodyblocking (also W has short range). Both are stuns that you can apply by hitting an opponent several times. His Q, W, and sometimes autos weaved in (to trigger W's passive) can act similar to how Fiddle uses his E (or its threat) to zone people and poke. His ult also has decent (albeit lower) damage, and can't be hit without Flash if the enemy sees you coming, making it better for follow-up than initiation (Fiddle's has a built-in blink that makes it usable for escapes or following over walls too). The short range on Fiddle's fear and initial drain cast forces him to stand close to his partners when he's peeling. His ult doesn't stun but the massive damage (and Fiddle will stack CDR then build some HP/AP usually rather than tankiness, with the occasional Zhonya's if fed) helps killing divers faster if you use it defensively. Edit: and no, it's not your wording. Annie isn't picked because she's great in lane swaps for example, being the primary initiator of the team is the utter, undisputable, major contribution she has to justify picking her. What you're doing is saying "Yes, Leona is an initiator and Braum at best a follow-up, but they're both tanky she's the nearest comparison to him!" | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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brokenwatch
Azerbaijan99 Posts
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