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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 07 2015 22:28 GMT
#2221
Thresh is a god, what?
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 22:31:13
January 07 2015 22:29 GMT
#2222
Well, then it might just be me, but when I try to poke thresh and/or his ADC it most of the time ends up with my ADC eating the thresh auto + possibly a hook while I have all my skills on cd. That's probably me being bad though, so yeah.
Still, I think those autos should hurt just a bit less maybe.

Also, vs Soraka, you have full mapcontrol over bottom half of river and your ADC shouldn't be behind in cs. I think that does qualify as doing whatever you want.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 07 2015 22:31 GMT
#2223
On January 08 2015 04:15 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 04:13 Kotfluegel wrote:
On January 08 2015 04:11 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On January 08 2015 04:03 red_ wrote:
Wizfujin tho...

Maybe he's improved, and I don't want to shit on the team before they even play, but ugh.

To be fair, he should have less pressure on him since he doesn't have to play with scrubs like Innox and Snoopeh.

yellowpete is not wizfujin

My apologies. I'll replace those two players with an even deadlier combination of Daydreamin and NintendudeX


What are you talking about? Daydreamin was legit. He just lost his will to live due to the team he was on.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 07 2015 22:32 GMT
#2224
I think he's playing in BR this year so we'll find out
Carrilord has arrived.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 07 2015 22:34 GMT
#2225
On January 08 2015 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Thresh is a god, what?


As somebody mentioned a few posts ago, he is the Lee Sin of support. Ironically, that does make him a god. There's a reason you can nerf, nerf, nerf, and nerf Lee Sin a dozen times and he still is one of the best junglers in the game. His kit will always be great just like Thresh's. The numbers on abilities almost don't matter because of the playmaking and utility they both can provide if done correctly.

It's not really that their character designs are flawed, but rather it shows how boring and bland so many other character designs are. To be fair, many champs in the past couple of years are better than previous ones, but there are still always the ones with a cohesive idea that play/look/feel phenomenal.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 07 2015 22:41 GMT
#2226
Well I think that's more because Soraka is rather problematic right now, at least in lane.
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 07 2015 22:42 GMT
#2227
if you want to talk about amazing supports that have been nerfed a bunch and still get played like crazy the only character that comes to my mind is janna.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 07 2015 22:43 GMT
#2228
On January 08 2015 07:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Thresh is a god, what?


As somebody mentioned a few posts ago, he is the Lee Sin of support. Ironically, that does make him a god. There's a reason you can nerf, nerf, nerf, and nerf Lee Sin a dozen times and he still is one of the best junglers in the game. His kit will always be great just like Thresh's. The numbers on abilities almost don't matter because of the playmaking and utility they both can provide if done correctly.

It's not really that their character designs are flawed, but rather it shows how boring and bland so many other character designs are. To be fair, many champs in the past couple of years are better than previous ones, but there are still always the ones with a cohesive idea that play/look/feel phenomenal.

Thresh is a very good support that is versatile and is easy to make plays with. It says a lot that there's a lot of one-hit wonders at the pro level who are basically Thresh mains and only ok on other Supports. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful Support though after a lot of the nerfs. I think that title still goes to Janna. Morgana is also top 3 in my opinion.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 07 2015 22:46 GMT
#2229
On January 08 2015 07:43 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 07:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Thresh is a god, what?


As somebody mentioned a few posts ago, he is the Lee Sin of support. Ironically, that does make him a god. There's a reason you can nerf, nerf, nerf, and nerf Lee Sin a dozen times and he still is one of the best junglers in the game. His kit will always be great just like Thresh's. The numbers on abilities almost don't matter because of the playmaking and utility they both can provide if done correctly.

It's not really that their character designs are flawed, but rather it shows how boring and bland so many other character designs are. To be fair, many champs in the past couple of years are better than previous ones, but there are still always the ones with a cohesive idea that play/look/feel phenomenal.

Thresh is a very good support that is versatile and is easy to make plays with. It says a lot that there's a lot of one-hit wonders at the pro level who are basically Thresh mains and only ok on other Supports. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful Support though after a lot of the nerfs. I think that title still goes to Janna. Morgana is also top 3 in my opinion.


Oh for sure, I didn't mean to imply that he's A#1numeroUno. However, he will always be a great, probably top tier support, unless they actually nerf him into the ground just like they'd have to do to Lee Sin, because they're both gods.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
January 07 2015 22:46 GMT
#2230
Well to be fair before Worlds/Zero Janna wasn't played for like a year.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 22:48:10
January 07 2015 22:47 GMT
#2231
On January 08 2015 07:42 Frolossus wrote:
if you want to talk about amazing supports that have been nerfed a bunch and still get played like crazy the only character that comes to my mind is janna.


Janna was pretty awful after the shield nerf (the one where the buff dissipated if you broke the shield) all of your peers getting nerfed 2+ times =/= staying good after a nerf.

also her ult got a fairly heavy buff in the downtime.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 07 2015 22:48 GMT
#2232
On January 08 2015 07:46 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 07:43 MoonBear wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Thresh is a god, what?


As somebody mentioned a few posts ago, he is the Lee Sin of support. Ironically, that does make him a god. There's a reason you can nerf, nerf, nerf, and nerf Lee Sin a dozen times and he still is one of the best junglers in the game. His kit will always be great just like Thresh's. The numbers on abilities almost don't matter because of the playmaking and utility they both can provide if done correctly.

It's not really that their character designs are flawed, but rather it shows how boring and bland so many other character designs are. To be fair, many champs in the past couple of years are better than previous ones, but there are still always the ones with a cohesive idea that play/look/feel phenomenal.

Thresh is a very good support that is versatile and is easy to make plays with. It says a lot that there's a lot of one-hit wonders at the pro level who are basically Thresh mains and only ok on other Supports. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful Support though after a lot of the nerfs. I think that title still goes to Janna. Morgana is also top 3 in my opinion.


Oh for sure, I didn't mean to imply that he's A#1numeroUno. However, he will always be a great, probably top tier support, unless they actually nerf him into the ground just like they'd have to do to Lee Sin, because they're both gods.

Thresh is still #1 Support in my book.
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
January 07 2015 22:54 GMT
#2233
Karma is #1 Support in my book. I seem to have the only copy of it though.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
January 07 2015 22:54 GMT
#2234
You guys really placing Janna above Thresh? I cant agree on this unless you play her like Wolf did today. I mean Janna can be a better pick in certain setups but Thresh fits almost anywhere.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 22:59:25
January 07 2015 22:55 GMT
#2235
On January 08 2015 07:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 07:46 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:43 MoonBear wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Thresh is a god, what?


As somebody mentioned a few posts ago, he is the Lee Sin of support. Ironically, that does make him a god. There's a reason you can nerf, nerf, nerf, and nerf Lee Sin a dozen times and he still is one of the best junglers in the game. His kit will always be great just like Thresh's. The numbers on abilities almost don't matter because of the playmaking and utility they both can provide if done correctly.

It's not really that their character designs are flawed, but rather it shows how boring and bland so many other character designs are. To be fair, many champs in the past couple of years are better than previous ones, but there are still always the ones with a cohesive idea that play/look/feel phenomenal.

Thresh is a very good support that is versatile and is easy to make plays with. It says a lot that there's a lot of one-hit wonders at the pro level who are basically Thresh mains and only ok on other Supports. But I wouldn't say he's the most powerful Support though after a lot of the nerfs. I think that title still goes to Janna. Morgana is also top 3 in my opinion.


Oh for sure, I didn't mean to imply that he's A#1numeroUno. However, he will always be a great, probably top tier support, unless they actually nerf him into the ground just like they'd have to do to Lee Sin, because they're both gods.

Thresh is still #1 Support in my book.


I think he falls into a slot that means, based on most people, he is the best support you see most often. More people can play him competently at a high level than a couple of the other good supports. However, the other supports are more difficult to use properly so you see a higher average of good Thresh players. I'm definitely less happy to see a random thresh in my game than any other support, but I'd rather run into a great thresh than a great Janna, Morg, or maaaaybe even Nami. (Edit: Obviously this is a hard discussion in the abstract given so many factors that change from game to game)


2nd late edit: Having begun playing a lot recently after many months off, did something happen to Heimer recently? Anytime I see him in a game (although I'm never placed against his lane) he just seems to crush.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 22:59:38
January 07 2015 22:57 GMT
#2236
I never said I don't consider thresh a top 3 support.Just that his power isn't his 2v2.

You prefer a great thresh because it is much easier to followup on great thresh plays compared to janna for example.The thresh does all the work most of the time while the janna will give you the opportunity.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
January 07 2015 22:59 GMT
#2237
With the tools he has his power shouldn't be 2v2. But then he's still surprisingly strong in those 2v2 situations.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
January 07 2015 22:59 GMT
#2238
On January 08 2015 07:57 nafta wrote:
I never said I don't consider thresh a top 3 support.Just that his power isn't his 2v2.


I think everyone knows that his real soloq power is to safe your stupid teammates from throwing the game over and over again.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
January 07 2015 23:00 GMT
#2239
On January 08 2015 07:31 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 04:15 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On January 08 2015 04:13 Kotfluegel wrote:
On January 08 2015 04:11 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On January 08 2015 04:03 red_ wrote:
Wizfujin tho...

Maybe he's improved, and I don't want to shit on the team before they even play, but ugh.

To be fair, he should have less pressure on him since he doesn't have to play with scrubs like Innox and Snoopeh.

yellowpete is not wizfujin

My apologies. I'll replace those two players with an even deadlier combination of Daydreamin and NintendudeX


What are you talking about? Daydreamin was legit. He just lost his will to live due to the team he was on.


One of my favorite memories of early LCS was everyone thinking Daydreamin was going to be a downgrade from Bloodwater, and then all of a sudden #HookCityBitches.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 23:02:39
January 07 2015 23:01 GMT
#2240
does thornmail eggnivia work? I've got a plan
Carrilord has arrived.
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